Posted on 10/27/2017 7:14:03 AM PDT by Enlightened1
The Catalan regional parliament has voted to declare independence from Spain, just as the Spanish government appears set to impose direct rule.
The move was backed 70-10 in a ballot boycotted by opposition MPs.
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy earlier told senators direct rule was needed to return "law, democracy and stability" to Catalonia.
The crisis began when Catalans backed independence in a disputed vote earlier this month.
The Catalan government said that of the 43% of potential voters who took part in the referendum, 90% were in favour of independence. But Spain's Constitutional Court had ruled the vote illegal.
In all, the motion declaring independence was approved with 70 in favour, 10 against and two abstentions in the 135-seat chamber.
Immediately afterwards, Mr Rajoy called for all Spaniards to remain calm, promising to "restore legality" to Catalonia.
Spain's Senate is still to vote on whether for the first time to enact Article 155 of the Spanish constitution, which empowers the government to take "all measures necessary to compel" a region in case of a crisis.
It would enable Madrid to fire Catalan leaders, and take control of the region's finances, police and public media.
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The War of Castilian Aggression.
Great summary of the situation. I agree.
The E.U. is Against the separation. The E.U. are the Globalist. They want a single State and not more States. They believe in consolidation of States, and NOT the other way around.
Catalan DOES NOT want to be part of the E.U. because of the migration that the E.U. loves and the tax increase for the migrants.
Catalans feel like they are losing their culture. The E.U. wants to flood them.
Most of the push for independence has come from the hard left. It’s prime movers are the likes of Anna Gabriel of CUP (she got her start with Antifa), and Oriol Junqueras of the ERC. This is not a tax revolt and has nothing to do with Brexit. It is primarily a cultural and linguistic matter and the presumption of superiority by many Catalans with regard to the rest of Spain. Arrogance is a very good term for this.
“Catalonian nationalists are Communists.
And yet they voted to form a republic. Silly commies!
“Fewer than 40% of Catalans have expressed the desire to be independent of Spain. Instead this is being railroaded through by a self-interested clique.”
Again, so was our independence.
CATALAN is a Worldwide Movement To Decentralize Power.
E.U. is centralized power. This is about decentralization and independence.
“The people do not want one world government. The people want local rule. As they always have.”
I thought I read somewhere that the UN Charter calls for the right of self-determination.
Not that the UN is or should be relevant.
You will NEVER get 50% or more adults to participate in anything. Just because they are lazy doesn’t mean the rest must suffer.
Your reasons are all either false or “not the whole story”, or the last , just your opinion.
"I'm just restin'."
If you’re on here you should be against Catalan independence as well. That’s the most far left part of Spain. A Catalan country will be another far left country having a say in global bodies at the expense of weakening a relatively centrist one friendly with the US.
I am for independence regardless of the political organization. Spain isn’t exactly conservative. I think being independent from the money sucking Spain might help them go more conservative.
Only 30% of our Nation supported independence from Britain yet we seem to have pulled it off...
“If you’re on here you should be against Catalan independence as well.
I can’t speak for ct, but I disagree with your assessment entirely.
People have a right to freedom. They were a nation long ago and the long to control their own affairs according to their cultural values.
I welcome to breathe free air and celebrate briefly, before the fight against Spain’s fascist state begins in earnest.
If Catalonia breaks away, who will ultimately end up in power there? I have read that there is a sizable migrant population there.
Back in the Middle Ages there was an attempt to conquer Europe by invading Spain across the Straits of Gibraltar. This incursion was eventually thrown back but it took many years to accomplish.
I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing history repeating itself.
First of all, I think that's low. Second, how is that an argument for Catalan independence? Read our Declaration of Independence and tell me which of those grievances apply to Catalonia. Catalans are not oppressed. Maybe they pay more than their fair share of taxes but that's what national Parliaments are for, to resolve issues like that. You don't tear a country apart over this.
Look, I recognize that I'm in the minority on this issue here but I do not believe this will end well.
The pinkos are the Catalans who think their independence wet dream will free them from the conservative ruling party (PP) in Madrid and guarantee a permanent leftist majority in Catalunya.
I don’t know your background or story, but I’ve lived in Spain for years. I’m not sure where some of you on here get your information, but you are misguided.
Any strategist understands that the best way to win a battle is to divide the enemy bc smaller parts are easier to chew.
Catalans (at least those pushing for independence), are hard core socialists at best. For whomever on here said “yea right, some communists... they’re forming a REPUBLIC.” China, North Korea and Venezuela are republics as well.
Chaos may feel good to some of you, no matter the circumstance. That makes one an anarchist though, nor a patriot.
fewer then 4 out of 10 Catalans have declared the desire to be independent of Spain.
In truth the American revolution was pretty close to the same numbers.
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