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To: Olog-hai; Jewbacca
" Had the Allies not brought that Islamic empire to an end, then it’s possible that the State of Israel might not have come into existence, with the region remaining under the name “Southern Syria”. "

Oh, that's right bring up the Germans & Islamic empire red herring......well you Brits used Islamists (Saudis & any other muslims willing to be paid) to defeat the Turk dominated Islamic empire!!! Now you have those waskily Pakistanis flooding into London.

So as a result one Islamic empire was traded for the new Caliphate the world currently has......and some of them have nukes!!!

And for your information, the modern state of Israel got short changed (big time) when Jordan was created by the great and magnanimous allies. These allied victors cut what was originally to be Israel in half, to creat Jordan......then, to add insult to injury, gave the Jordanian king control of the Temple Mount.

These wonderful allies also created that peaceful country, known as Iraq.......with it's peaceful Kurds & Iraqis living side by side.......who was the idividual who created the boundries of Iraq you ask? Well it was none other than Winny the Poo (Whinston Churchill).

Yeah, those kooky allies.....ya gotta luv em!

202 posted on 10/18/2017 5:46:54 PM PDT by crazy scenario ( Remember me, I'm a fixer!)
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To: crazy scenario
If you're going to accuse it of being a “red herring”, then argumentum verbosium (a logical fallacy) is not proof.

Transjordan was never part of the Israeli Jewish homeland; that was always the home of the descendants of Lot (Ammonites and Moabites). And it is a simple fact that the Ottoman Empire’s existence was a major obstacle for a homeland for Jews in their native land. There were Zionists there before the empire fell, but they were not the cause of its fall.

The Labour Party had a big part in the UK’s moral slide after WWII, and just a big of a hand in the Pakistani hijrah, absolutely. However, the USSR is who helped the Muslim states in the Middle East radicalize after 1948; even Nasser (a self-admitted national socialist) boasted of that.

The Kingdom of Iraq was created by the League of Nations. The national-socialist Ba’ath-ruled Iraq that we have been too familiar with came about in 1958, when the king was overthrown.
203 posted on 10/18/2017 6:00:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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