Posted on 10/17/2017 8:27:39 AM PDT by bkopto
President Trump warned on Tuesday that he would "fight back" after Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) delivered a blunt denunciation of nationalist forces that was seen by many as a thinly veiled attack on the president.
"People have to careful, because at some point I fight back," Trump told WMAL radio host Chris Plante. "I'm being very nice. I'm being very, very nice. But at some point I fight back, and it won't be pretty."
McCain responded to Trump's comments moments later, saying that he has "faced far greater challenges than this," according to CNN.
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Actually the President should just be silent and wait. McCain will probably be dead in a year. Just make sure Arizona has a real republican for senator.
I found it to be gripping, and had many first person accounts from that day that are compelling reading. One of the most amazing stories was that of the lower ranking enlisted guy (I think an AME) who was in charge of the huge reservoir of liquid oxygen (LOX) that day, and he got trapped in there due to fire and smoke, with bombs going off above him, and the heat rising to nearly unbearable levels, but...he didn't think he could evacuate the space without being accused of deserting his post or something, so...there he stayed for hours (I don't recall if he finally left or if a damage control team came and found him)
Thing, is, if that liquid oxygen had exploded, it would have likely sunk the ship, nevermind simply blowing him to eternity in a split second.
In the aftermath, realized that if the fire had spread there, that is what would have happened with absolutely nothing they could have done about it. As a result, they redesigned all carriers so that huge LOX tank sat on a set of rails that opened into a giant hatch in the hull through which the entire unit could be shoved overboard as need be in a conflagration. I never knew that...I think I slept right above it somewhere on the carrier I was on!
May be...I don’t know.
I can infer from my own experience that they probably didn’t want pilots up on deck fighting fires, since they had plenty of people to do that, but that is just a guess.
The other stuff, I don’t know about, so I can’t comment on it.
Tell ya what, that is some flipping scary stuff.
I was wondering about the sailor and then I realized how quickly the fins flipped over and out on that Zuni. Yikes
I know. The imagery of that sailor that my mind constructed from the description kind of sticks with me from reading that book.
Fire on a ship is a terrible, terrible thing and they are right to treat it as such. I was a flight deck guy, but I was filled with dread at the thought of being caught below decks in a fire. The sailor who was my mentor on my first cruise less than a year after the collision with the USS Belknap said they could not believe a single sailor on that ship survived that fire. He said the flames covered the entire topside of the ship from stem to stern, and went higher than the flight deck on the Kennedy. Only 8 men were killed...with that description, it seems like a miracle.
Funny, talking to some ship’s crew about that, they said they wouldn’t want to be on the deck in the event of hostilities...I guess everyone rationalizes that where they are is the best place to be...:)
I tip my hat to your guys. My old man did stuff in Korea that I can’t even fathom. And as a fairly-young guy. He didn’t talk much about it and I don’t think I knew how much it stayed with him. Unbelievable.
LOL...I was peacetime navy, so I got nothing on those people either...I feel about them exactly as you do!
But I will say there is lots of potential for mayhem on a flight deck (as the Forrestal incident amply demonstrates) which is why it is ruled with an iron fist, or at least it was when I was in.
I learned a LOT as a young man. Even in peacetime, even in a recessed/depressed country and military, they still try (or at least, did then) to practice like there is a real war.
I have been scathing in my criticism of the Navy recently in light of the unbelievable things I have seen with respect to collisions and groundings, but...I have hope. Maybe they can reverse some of the stupidity.
Thank you for your service and your recollections. I do think that McCain left something of himself behind in the prison camp and brought ghosts with him.
Yes, it absolutely should be ruled with an iron-fist as you say. Not a place to jack around.
Just got done seeing an old high school friend. He flew P-3’s and retired as Lt. Commander. Told me he always flew and landed on land (don’t know what else he flew, if anything). I asked when he was gonna go back and hunt NK subs. ;)
He did straighten me out - his 67 Cougar had a 390, not a 428 as I remembered. Guess it was just another guy with a 428 Mustang (Fastback like mine) that I knew that had that engine. Never realized how much I would miss those days.
Trump is right to do this. All this BS talk about this reform or that bill passing is a waste of time. Trump should go straight to the American People and tell it like it is, namely, McCain and his cabal will not pass anything that is seen to benefit Trump. I would say it like this:
Nobody can presume to know someone’s motives. But it appears that John McCain is letting his personal feelings toward me influence his decision making. He will not approve anything, regardless of its content, that is perceived as advancing my agenda. Mitch and I talked, we are on the same page of advancing my agenda because it is the agenda that we both campaigned on. But I have to be honest with you, we both acknowledge that given Mr. McCain’s stance it is unlikely that anything will pass.
I say this not to discourage you but because the American people need to know the honest truth of where we stand. We are currently held hostage by a handful of Senators. The democrats are what they are and we can expect them to act like they do, but this handful of Senators that campaigned on certain promises that they are now breaking is a different story.
You also need to know that I am not quitting and will continue to work with Mitch to bring the agenda to a vote in the Senate. Mr. McCain will have to continue to vote as, evidently, his personal feelings dictate. I say personal feelings because I have reviewed the promises he made during his last campaign and they seem aligned with my agenda. Suddenly his voting record has veered in another direction.
Even more alarming is that in voting down healthcare reform Mr. McCain has said he did so because he wants bi-partisan solutions. I should take him at his word. But as of today, I have still not seen a bi-partisan proposal emanating from Mr. McCain’s office regarding healthcare reform. I eagerly await that proposal and any others that he may have.
He should do that speech with Steve Bannon by his side.
Funny.
For me, having hero-worshiped the POWs as a kid (as well as hero-worshiping my dad) and serving directly under McCain (for even a short time) I have this thing instilled in me about loyalty, chain of command, naval service, all that.
From the day my dad retired to the day he died, with all the things he did, he was a Naval Officer. All my friends in the civilian world after he retired were very deferential to him (were a little intimidated by him) and called him “The Commander”. This was my dad’s life, and I got all this passed on to me by osmosis and my own service.
So, when the time came to criticize McCain, I refused to do so, granting him deference as a POW and Naval Officer from a Navy family. I defended him, not for who he was as a politician and man, but who he was in a framework of a military setting. At some level to me, there was a loyalty thing going on, and I could not criticize him. It was a deference that he did not deserve.
I was very lucky. I had a Freeper send me a very down to earth and civil Freepmail. I suspect he recognized what was going on, and gradually, without excoriating me, helped me see correct approach. I cannot stand the man.
It could have been far worse. You know how it can get here on FR with things like that. I was lucky to get a Freeper who was able to approach me in a way that resonated with me.
You know, one of the good things I have found about getting older is the past looks much better...
Well, it was pretty good going through it, too...:)
And I’m not done yet!
...but don’t deny you sang like a bird. McCain is denying this. That’s the problem. A hero would admit it because you are correct.
My first thought also. He may have faced challenges in the past... but he caved each and every time. His legacy is one of cowardice, corruption, treachery and incompetence. His actual achievements have been so inconsequential that the public will barely be able to tell you who he was a year or two down the road.
<...trump does need McCain’s vote...>
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President Trump isn’t going to get McCain’s vote...
He is as likely to get that as much as he is likely to get Pelosi or Schumer’s vote...
As a person McCain can be pitied, but as a national political figure he’s just dangerous, not only to President Trump, but to the nation. He’s a sick man.
Greater challenges than McCain are as common as wild grapes.
Fox Business was just discussing this. Karl Rove (”America’s oldest fetus”, as a FReeper calls him) really is NOT happy that PDJT said this. “He didn’t need to say that!” WHY do they keep this freak as a pundit? I guess for the same reason they spotlight Dana PeRINO.
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