Posted on 10/16/2017 4:10:10 PM PDT by SJackson
The left vs right thing is the twisted logic of Americas left only because the American left doesn’t want to face the reality that ultimately what they believe in is the ultimate power of the state. The Nazis killed a lot of people and it gave them bad press so the American left says they are right wing nuts. The Chinese, PolPot, Korea communists killed a lot of people but they didn’t call a press conference so it was ignored. Anyone capable of reason can see they are the same BS. As the earlier post said, the communists call it candy.
Wasn’t FDR a fan of Fascism?
bkmk
Rotten apples and rotten oranges are both rotten and not good to eat. With bad and evil things you should not describe one as somewhat better or somewhat worse, as both are rotten and saying one is somewhat worse or somewhat better negates the evil of the other. Both are evil, both are terrible and neither is better or worse then the other they are both atrocious and deadly. My grandfather once told me that none of the Normandy beaches were a picnic on D-day, all were hell and it really didn’t matter whether one beach had more casualties then the other, it only mattered that many good men died not where. God Bless you grandpa.
>>The so-called anti-fascist organization Antifa wont even allow conservatives to exercise their rights of assembly and free speech.
They won’t even permit you to video their activities or interview participants. You’ll get a beat down for being a “fascist”.
Areas of Europe and South America did learn to accept Nazism.
Nazi big wigs openly “hid out” for decades.
Which is a worse death, being hit by a freeway bus or being dropped into a vat of molten steel?
Every “ism” that derives from Marxist political theory is pretty much the same thing with superficial differences. The history of Marxism and its derivatives has been immensely destructive and bloody.
Is David Duke to the right of Ronald Reagan?
This is a continuum of anti-Semitic commentators based solely on my own observations. YMMV
Now, is there anything they have in common?
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Yes, post war. If Hitler hadn't hated Jews, half the Manhattan Project would have been developing atomic weapons in Berlin and the German mountains rather than Chicago and the New Mexican desert. And win or lose, like Stalin, the world wouldn't have viewed Hitler/Nazism as evil. Just a different system, like all who concentrate power, become susceptible to evil
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A better discussion to have may be which poses a greater threat today Communism or Nazism.
I can point out card carrying Communist political candidates. If the Nazis are running any candidates, they aren’t being very public about their candidates or endorsements. How many states’ ballots are nazis they on?
How many nations today have Nazi rule or Nazi militants engaging in a civil war to take over a nation? How many nations today have Communist rule or Communist militants engaging in a civil war to take over a nation?
How many universities have teachers espousing Nazism as a contemporary and relevant ideology? How many have teachers espousing Communism?
A long quote to support my point:
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."And to be clear, a liberal of the old type, those who really believe in individual freedom is clearly a modern conservative. Our current Left, who fancy themselves Liberals are anything but, and their tacit acceptance of the use of violence to prevent conservative speech on college campuses from people like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro proves it.
No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom, 1944
Further, I would argue that anyone marching under the swastika today is anything but right wing, though the media paints them as such for political reasons. A close examination of their beliefs should make this clear.
But Nazism and Communism are both leftist just that Nazism is slightly to the right of Communism.
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The great myth is that Nazism is right, but, as you say, the starting point is everything. When you place both of them on a left right political spectrum, both are left side ideologies. The key is that both eschew individual thought and freedom.
There were a lot of fascist or national socialist movements around Europe in the 1930s. They had about as much appeal as the communists -- in some countries even more appeal.
China successfully changed from communism to Nazism- and everyone loves it!
The Chinese are wealthier and happier and non-Chinese are making money hand over fist, well the rich non-Chinese.
Yes, dependent on vigilance on the part of the electorate.
Precisely, and see my previous.
David Duke originally ran and campaigned as a Democrat and then an independent before identifying as a Republican and then an independent again.
Ask people on the street what party he is identified with and they will tell you “Republican”. That’s is the fault of the media.
Fred Phelps also campaigned as a Democrat candidate and was pals with Al and Tipper Gore. But the media will tell you that Phelps and the Westboro Cult are “far right”.
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