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Las Vegas shooter fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank
CNN ^ | 6:37 PM ET, Tue October 10, 2017 | Kyung Lah and Scott Glover, CNN

Posted on 10/10/2017 4:10:29 PM PDT by SSS Two

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To: Ancesthntr

Maybe he shot himself by accident


81 posted on 10/10/2017 9:08:24 PM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: buffaloguy

“Petroleum tanks are well protected against rifle fire. Period.”

And the tanks held only kerosene based jet fuel anyway, which is made to be hard to ignite on purpose.

There’s virtually no way the jet fuel would be ignited by any sort of small arms incendiary or tracer round.


82 posted on 10/10/2017 9:11:15 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Newbomb Turk

The tracer bullet has a hollow base. This base is filled with a compound that is ignited by the powder charge and burns for a certain length of time.

The brightness and burn time can be changed by altering the compound.

The weight of the compound is adjusted so that the bullet weight and flight characteristics are not too far off the normal round.

The paint on the tip is just paint to ID the round, it is not related to the tracer function.


83 posted on 10/10/2017 9:19:27 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Rj Snows
Not worth a separate thread, so I'll put this here. According to The Mirror (U.K.):

Sheriff Joe Lombardo made the bombshell admission on Monday that security officer Jesus Campos was in fact Paddock's first victim.

Previously, police had said he was the hero who disturbed the killer around 15 minutes after the shooting began and brought it to an end.

But now it's emerged that the chaos at the Mandalay Bay began when Mr Campos went to investigate a stairwell door which was adjacent to Paddock's hotel room.

My interpretation is that the "open door alarm" that Campos was investigating was the door to the stairwell. I had assumed that it was a guest room, but I no longer believe that.

Paddock, 64, had screwed [tje stairwell door] shut in an effort to obstruct responding police.

He was in the middle of installing cameras when he heard Mr Campos on the other side of the door using his radio.

Paddock sprayed hundreds of bullets through the stairwell door, hitting Mr Campos in the leg at 9.59pm.

Courageously, he raised the alarm and stayed in the stairwell.

This is confusing. Which side of the door was Campos on and which side was Paddock on? If there was an open door alarm on Floor 32, I would assume that Campos would take the elevator to 32 to investigate. May Campos was already on 31 or 33 when he got the call of the open door and decided it was easier to take the stairs.

I'm guessing that Paddock was putting his cameras in the hallway of 32. That would put Paddock outside of the stairwell and Campos in the stairwell. Did Paddock hear Campos' radio and shoot through the stairwell door? If so, that throws other things I believe in doubt. If Campos was behind the barricaded stairwell door when he was shot, he didn't open the door and walk down the hallway on 32. Also, this theory means that my original understanding that Paddock shot at Campos through his guest room door is not accurate.

The police came up from 31 via the stairwell. Why didn't they take the elevator directly to 32? I'm guessing that Campos remained behind the stairwell door and was discovered there by police. Police forced open the jammed stairwell door and emerged on 32. That's when they used Campos' master key to evacuate other guests on 32 and explains why Campos didn't help guests leave on his own.

Lots of speculation there. I better just leave it at that.

84 posted on 10/10/2017 9:20:28 PM PDT by SSS Two
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To: ltc8k6

What you say is correct of course. My 39 years in the military haven’t been totally wasted.


85 posted on 10/10/2017 9:34:32 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where is your bothers ElCamino ?)
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To: vette6387

“Those tanks should be moved. “
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Yes, if anything can be gained from this , that would be it.
Next time it might not be so lucky.


86 posted on 10/10/2017 9:35:24 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: SSS Two

More and more I think the theory that he was a professional hitman and this was a paid gig that went fubar makes a lot of sense. Possibly because the party that hired him double crossed him.


87 posted on 10/10/2017 9:37:48 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: garjog
"So why are we not being told about possible motive? What is going on here?"

The guy is dead, he's not talking. He didn't leave a note and has no obvious motive. It's not a matter of not being told, it's a matter of not knowing. Not knowing doesn't mean there wasn't one. Obviously there was one, even if it was nutty. But maybe that's what it was, nutty.

88 posted on 10/10/2017 9:38:54 PM PDT by mlo
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To: SSS Two
Has anyone been able to confirm Paddock's presence at any anti-Trump demonstrations?

I remember at least 1 video surfacing shortly after the massacre that purported to be him at an anti-Trump rally, but I haven't heard any confirmation...

89 posted on 10/10/2017 9:39:38 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: CatOwner
"They say he killed himself. Is there absolute proof of that?"

Revolver fired in the mouth was pretty obvious.

90 posted on 10/10/2017 9:40:06 PM PDT by mlo
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To: SSS Two
Seems like a rehash of old news with some extra 'teaser" crap that may or may not be accurate. Reading it made me wonder if they just couldn't write or were making it up as they typed..

Seems that if he wanted the tank to blow, it would've only taken 3 seconds to put a lot of rounds in it...

91 posted on 10/11/2017 3:21:29 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SSS Two

From the same article:

“Las Vegas cops didn’t find Stephen Paddock’s room until he’d already ended his mass shooting - even though a security guard was waiting outside injured.

Police are facing difficult questions about why it took at least 25 minutes to locate the killer, and then another 45 minutes before to storm his hotel suite.”

Some of the questions that police should already have answers to but we don’t yet know include:

1) Did Campos — after being shot — immediately call 911? Common sense would suggest that this was not a security issue, even if he were to be joined by an armed security officer. Was he trained to use common sense not ignore — i.e. to call 911 before alerting someone in security.

2) If Campos did not call 911, when did he call/radio MGM security?

3) When did security (Campos or someone else) first call 911 about the 32nd floor shooting?

4) After the police received the call from MGM security, how quickly did they react?

There were opportunities for MGM to mess up, for the police to mess up, and for them both to mess up in response to the Campos shooting.


92 posted on 10/11/2017 5:28:17 AM PDT by Rumierules
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To: tired&retired

“I didn’t know they had AP incendiaries.”


Those are available - not everywhere, to be sure, and not all the time, and expensive...but they are out there.


93 posted on 10/11/2017 8:45:34 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Rumierules
NEW THEORY

Paddock did something to the elevators that prevented people from getting to the 32nd floor. Somehow tampering with the elevator -- along with the jamming of the stairwell door on 32 -- were intended to give Paddock more time alone. This would also explain why:

1. Campos took the stairs to check out the door alarm on 32.

2. Police originally went to 31 and took stairs to 32.

3. Police took so long to get to the scene. (They spent time figuring out why they couldn't take the elevator directly to 32.)

94 posted on 10/11/2017 9:54:39 AM PDT by SSS Two
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