Texas' Toll Roads: A Big Step Towards Open Markets For Transportation

Forbes ^ | June 30, 2017 | Scott Beyer

[DoughtyOne]

Federal government grants to states for road projects: LINK

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, please keep peddling the idea Conservatives advocate for higher taxation/tolls.

LOL

[TexasGunLover]

Use taxes are not the same as income taxes.

[TexasGunLover]

Yes, please keep peddling the idea Conservatives advocate for higher taxation/tolls.

I'm not peddling that. Conservatives like the idea of people paying for what they use, and not paying for what someone else uses, therefore, gas and tolls are use taxes, and what conservatives want.

[DoughtyOne]

Driving is a privilege and not a right.

This is Leftist tripe of the highest order.

You are guaranteed the freedom of association. Just how do you facilitate meeting with people without a vehicle?

Is gun ownership a privilege?

Is free speech a privilege?

Traveling by our vehicles is a right, that can be limited or taken away. It is not a privilege.

The state cannot deny you the right to drive, if you prove you can drive safely, know, and abide by the rules.

Everyone once in a while folks come up with this idiotic idea. It's not true.

[DoughtyOne]

They are taxes.

You have already paid taxes to build roads.

If you want to continue to spout nonsense, do it to someone else.

[TexasGunLover]

You have already paid taxes to build roads.

Not for toll roads you haven't. They're paid for by private companies against agreements to collect tolls.

If you want to continue to spout socialist ideas of paying for everyone, do it to someone else.

[DoughtyOne]

My goodness.

I pay gas taxes. You pay gas taxes. Those gas taxes pay for the roads. Do you realize only people who buy gasoline and drive on the highway, pay gas taxes?

They are a use tax, paid at the pump.

What I have been trying to explain to you for the last hour or more, is that they are being diverted. Meanwhile, you have proposed a number of excuses why it’s okay for them to divert those use taxes so we have to pay another use tax.

And then you claim this is bedrock Conservatism. Ah NO!

[TexasGunLover]

You are guaranteed the freedom of association. Just how do you facilitate meeting with people without a vehicle?

How did they prior to the automobile? Please reference the dictionary entry or court cases that establish association as being necessitated by an automobile.

Is gun ownership a privilege?

No, it is a right specifically called out in the 2nd amendment. Please reference the driving amendment.

Is free speech a privilege?

No, it is a right specifically called out in the 1st amendment. Please reference the driving amendment.

Traveling by our vehicles is a right, that can be limited or taken away. It is not a privilege. The state cannot deny you the right to drive, if you prove you can drive safely, know, and abide by the rules.

Driving is not a constitutional right. You get your drivers license based on the skills you have and the rules you agree to follow. After you get your driving license you must continue to demonstrate your ability to drive safely on the road.

[TexasGunLover]

Gas taxes do not pay for toll roads in Texas.

[DoughtyOne]

Wow, you just don’t want to accept reality do you.

Gasoline taxes are a use tax. Only people who use roads pay the taxes.

You paid the gasoline use tax. They refused to build your road.

They now require you to pay a toll (another use tax) to use the road.

Of course you’re right. The gasoline use taxes you paid were not used to build the toll road.

You still paid them.

What part of that escapes you. You are paying a second time when you pay tolls.

[TribalPrincess2U]

Yep, once they taste that money, they’re not going to let go.

[TexasGunLover]

What part of that escapes you. You are paying a second time when you pay tolls.

I agree Gas Tax is a use tax, I'm the one that stated that. I also said that yes, when you drive on a road, that is built with private funds, yes the gas you use is taxed even though you're paying for the road via toll.

The part that is escaping you is that the gas tax funds pay for some roads, and the toll roads are built in addition to what the gas tax roads can build. Therefore, you pay a premium to access a road that would otherwise not exist.

Take a look at how massively you'd have to raise the gas tax to pay for the roads in the metro areas. I'd also support that, if that's what you're proposing.

[DoughtyOne]

You are guaranteed the freedom of association. Just how do you facilitate meeting with people without a vehicle?

How did they prior to the automobile? Please reference the dictionary entry or court cases that establish association as being necessitated by an automobile.

So it's your take that modern convenience could be denied to say, Conservatives, or Catholics on a whim?  My my...  You do live in one warped little world don't you.

First you suggest we can all ride horse and buggies.  Now you're demanding a dictionary (of all things), or a court case ruling to back up people's rights to use roads.

Well, how did they do it before the automobile?  Dang.  You sure have a strange way of loolking at freedoms.

Is gun ownership a privilege?

No, it is a right specifically called out in the 2nd amendment. Please reference the driving amendment.

I told you we were guaranteed freedom of association.  We are not limited to the associations we can accomplish only within walking distance.  Work, meetings, political gatherings, religious gatherings, are all covered in this freedom of association.  A state cannot simply say, "You're black, you can't drive a car.", "You're a Catholic, you can't drive a car.", "You're a Republican, you can't drive a car."  You didn't know this?  Really?  I have to prove this to you?

Is free speech a privilege?

No, it is a right specifically called out in the 1st amendment. Please reference the driving amendment.

See above.

Traveling by our vehicles is a right, that can be limited or taken away. It is not a privilege. The state cannot deny you the right to drive, if you prove you can drive safely, know, and abide by the rules.

Driving is not a constitutional right. You get your drivers license based on the skills you have and the rules you agree to follow. After you get your driving license you must continue to demonstrate your ability to drive safely on the road.

Driving is a Constitutional right.  See above.

[TexasGunLover]

Driving is a Constitutional right. See above.

Sadly, you can't join automobiles to freedom of association. Try and exercise your "right" without being granted the privilege and you'll find yourself in jail.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL

States file grant requests for many projects, roads, civic centers, stadiums...

You don’t think federal dollars wind up in downtown street projects?

We would not have to raise gas taxes to cover what we’ve always covered, before gas tax funds started being diverted en mass.

[DoughtyOne]

Are you too childlike to be able to grasp a state cannot deny a group of people the right to drive based on race, sex, or reasoned affiliation?

Evidently so.

Driving, free association, the ability to travel is a right.

Making rules and requirements does not mean you do not have a right. It simply means for safety sake, you need to have some level of ability and knowledge.

Your gun rights can be taken away if you break certain laws.

Who knew?

[DoughtyOne]

That was just moronic.

[Snickering Hound]

Driving, free association, the ability to travel is a right.

Driving is considered a privilege, not a right. Lots of court cases have established that.

[deport]

This is a little dated but it gives a showing of how the taxes vary across the US.
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