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To: LambSlave
As conservatives, it is up to us to not stoop to the level of the left with respect to litigation and diminishing our rights.

Completely disagree. Not "stooping to the level of the left" too often means "let's take it on the chin and ask for another." It is a well known axiom that one of the best ways to rid yourself of a bad law is to enforce it to the fullest. Many people don't realize how bad of a law it is until they, themselves, are forced to follow it. Force the Left to follow their own policies with respect to conservative-type groups and they will suddenly decide that freedom of association is a precious right. Allow them to engage in one-sided enforcement of the law/policy to their benefit and they will continue on into eternity.

Additionally, as conservatives, it is our duty to see that all laws are applied equally. We don't really have a representative, constitutional government if the laws only apply to some, but not others. Therefore, if current "settled law" says you can't refuse to serve customers you disagree with, then, by God, it is our duty to ensure that NOBODY is allowed to refuse to serve customers they don't agree with. And, of course, we are free to attempt to change this "settled law" at the same time.
82 posted on 10/06/2017 4:42:14 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
Completely disagree. Not "stooping to the level of the left" too often means "let's take it on the chin and ask for another."

Note that I said with respect to (i) litigation and (ii) diminishing our rights. I agree 100% that if we need to get in the mud to win, then that's what we need to do. They will paint us as evil racists regardless, so do what we need to to advance our objectives. I am specifically stating two special cases that are exceptions to this, because using the courts as a weapon, and intentionally passing laws or broadening the intent of laws that further restrict our rights ultimately advances their agenda and hurts more than helps. Regarding the well known anecdote (it's not an axiom, perhaps a maxim at best) about bad laws: Bad laws that restrict freedom number in the thousands, so how many have ever been fully reversed?? I suppose prohibition is one, but that is the only one I can think of, and really eventually reversing one in thousands is not a reliable strategy for victory, only eventual defeat.

90 posted on 10/07/2017 5:15:23 AM PDT by LambSlave
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