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Based on the Early Reports, the Las Vegas Shooting Is Very, Very Strange
National Review ^ | 10-2-2017 | DAVID FRENCH

Posted on 10/03/2017 3:31:00 AM PDT by servo1969

As virtually everyone has noted from the abundant video footage of the incident, it certainly sounds as if the shooter used either fully-automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons modified (through, for example, a bump fire stock) to closely simulate automatic fire. Moreover, the police are reporting that he had “more than 10 rifles.” He apparently rented his corner room for days and may have even set up cameras to detect when police were approaching. That’s all strange enough, but it’s even more unusual when you consider that his own family apparently didn’t know that he maintained a stockpile of guns.

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Put all this together, and the shooting is flat-out bizarre. It’s significantly different from virtually any other mass shooting in U.S. history. If the weapons were fully automatic, then he likely would have spent immense sums of money to obtain them legally, jumping through extensive legal hoops.

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So, a person who’s “not a gun guy” has either expended untold thousands of dollars to legally purchase fully-automatic weapons, somehow found them on the black market, or purchased and substantially modified multiple semi-automatic weapons — and did so with enough competence to create a sustained rate of fire. This same person also spent substantial sums purchasing just the right hotel room to maximize casualties.

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Given the firepower and the packed mass of people, it’s easy to see how the casualty count was so high, even firing from an extreme range (by the standards of mass shootings.) This was the University of Texas tower attack on steroids, conducted out of nowhere, with meticulous planning and at great expense, from a person who doesn’t seem to fit any normal profile of a mass shooter. There is much we have yet to learn, but for now, this is one of the most chilling and mysterious events I’ve ever seen.

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To: TexasGunLover; magglepuss; SamAdams76

I read Magglepuss comments to not be a denial that something happened at SH but that we have not been given the full and honest story. At my ripe old age I can’t remember the last time the government was fully honest about anything.


321 posted on 10/03/2017 8:46:06 AM PDT by nclaurel
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To: NIKK

The thickness of the barrel is the AR10 (.308) giveaway.


322 posted on 10/03/2017 8:48:38 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: DCBryan1

with parts and some basic tools and little knowledge any AR15 platform can be made full auto...or select fire... AK platform as well.

They did state they found two units modified for full auto.. not sure the bump fire systems are what they are referring to..

I thought bump fire too or crappy ammo or both, but the surefire mags don’t work well so that explains one of the delays, 556 and 7.62 cals, hence the different sounds

looks like nickel plated brass round so its either Russian or high end US mfg rounds

both guns shown have very effective flash hiders... so standing back in the room a bit with those installed would definitely make it hard to see in the films with out pulling frames from the source camera storage.

All GPMGS will wane and wander when hot or dirty or have crappy ammo or a gas regulator system that is not balanced, PKM does it too ... M4’s with Beta mags definitely speed up and slow down


323 posted on 10/03/2017 8:54:57 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
The thickness of the barrel is the AR10 (.308) giveaway.

And your ignorance of firearms is a dead giveaway also.

Its .223/5.56mm. Surefire doesn't make an AR 10 60 or 90 round box magazine. That's a standard heavy free floating barrel. Stop making stuff up.

324 posted on 10/03/2017 8:55:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: knarf

“A witness who was on stage said she was a life long native of Las Vegas and that hotel is always booked MONTHS in advance.
For a guy to show up a week ago out of the clear blue is ... well .... improbable.”

That’s BS.

You can even book right now. I’ve book rooms the same week I’ve went with plenty of options. Only on some holidays are rooms booked, but usually no more than about a week in advance.


325 posted on 10/03/2017 8:55:36 AM PDT by CodeToad (CWII is coming. Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: yldstrk

“Think people, look at the evidence. 600 people shot, that is not one shooter.”

Don’t be an idiot coming to conclusions based on your ignorance of shooting.


326 posted on 10/03/2017 8:57:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (CWII is coming. Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Article10
All GPMGS will wane and wander when hot or dirty or have crappy ammo or a gas regulator system that is not balanced

Don't forget cold barrel firing and headspacing.....but that's another subject. The only sound that is, is "Holy shit!".

327 posted on 10/03/2017 8:57:22 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: DCBryan1

True...

This sick dude definitely did some “homework”, but why is the question...


328 posted on 10/03/2017 9:01:23 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: bray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOJWzF_trI

Brother’s body language.


329 posted on 10/03/2017 9:11:19 AM PDT by petercooper ("Democrats are on a collusion course with destiny in 2018." -- Bill Mitchell 5/26/17)
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To: smileyface

Yep. “Parents” totally busted.


330 posted on 10/03/2017 9:16:03 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

The latest meme is 15 weapons at the hotel and another 50 and explosives at the house.


331 posted on 10/03/2017 9:17:42 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: ilovesarah2012
I saw a picture of his first wife. She looked Asian. So does his girlfriend. Coincidence?

So what? The guy doesn't get turned on by blondes with blue eyes. Everyone has their own type.

332 posted on 10/03/2017 9:22:46 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: cyclotic
That room, and possibly the whole 32nd floor will probably never be booked again.

This is Vegas, remember. It'll be booked at double the price.

333 posted on 10/03/2017 9:31:14 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: bgill

Wonder what his intentions were with the explosives?


334 posted on 10/03/2017 9:32:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
Wonder what his intentions were with the explosives?

Discovering intentions are the most important part about this investigation. Not the how, not how it sounded like a strobe light was spitting bullets through glass that doesn't break, but the motivation and point of it all.
335 posted on 10/03/2017 9:33:40 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: bushpilot2
Per your link on the gf - "was recently in the country." aka the Philippines.

Recently? As in she was but is not now there? Where is she? In hiding afraid to come back to the US or hidden away by the feds?

336 posted on 10/03/2017 9:36:46 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: TexasGunLover; magglepuss; SamAdams76

I read Magglepuss comments to not be a denial that something happened at SH but that we have not been given the full and honest story. At my ripe old age I can’t remember the last time the government was fully honest about anything.


337 posted on 10/03/2017 9:41:26 AM PDT by nclaurel
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

No, that is an AR15, with a 100rd Surefire 223/5.56 magazine.


338 posted on 10/03/2017 9:48:19 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: spiderpig

He’d have worn himself out running back and forth between the two windows. They are ten windows apart.


339 posted on 10/03/2017 9:50:46 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: niteowl77

Yes. Curious that the authorities are silent on the how they were ‘modified’.


340 posted on 10/03/2017 9:51:17 AM PDT by databoss
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