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To: Sopater
True, but how accurate do you need to be to hit a crowd of 22,000 people from the 32nd floor of a hotel room?

32 stories up is ~640 ft. up. For the sake of argument, assume he was firing at a 45 degree angle. That would be a distance of over 900 ft. (~275 m). I've personally shot a 4 inch group at 100 m with a bolt action .300 win mag, and that was under calm conditions shooting flat. If he was shooting .223 or 5.56, I don't know that I'd trust the accuracy past 150 m. Ballistic videos I've seen have the round start tumbling.

There are over 500 wounded, but we don't know how many of those are from GSW or injuries sustained while fleeing.

111 posted on 10/02/2017 9:35:43 AM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: rarestia

He was randomly shooting into a crowd. He wasn’t trying to assassinate a specific target in the crowd.


116 posted on 10/02/2017 9:37:06 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: rarestia
I personally knew a 15-year-old kid who could shoot a <2" group with an AR-15 at 800 YARDS. He was a competitive High Power shooter. I myself can hold a <8" group with my rack-grade AR-15 at 300 yards.

People just have no experience with guns, and don't personally know any people who do.

128 posted on 10/02/2017 9:40:50 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of the MAGA agenda. But now the Swamp is back in control.)
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To: rarestia
many of those wounded, specially in the first couple of minutes were prolly secondary hits by rounds going through those in front of them...
161 posted on 10/02/2017 10:16:54 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: rarestia

I have fired at 500 Yards (457.2 meters), using 5.56mm (M16A2) slow fire on the range for 21 Years in the Marine Corps. Depending on the wind you can get a very close grouping with iron sights.


188 posted on 10/02/2017 11:13:31 AM PDT by Garvin (Sabo: "Republicans Are The New Punk")
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To: rarestia

Crowd density means he didn’t need to particularly aim to hit someone.

275m isn’t far. With a .300 Win Mag, or any decent centerfire, you should have little difficulty hitting 1” groups at 100m with iron sights. .223/5.56 will be likewise accurate to >600m (6” group at that distance); it won’t “tumble” unless very badly matching ammo with odd-sized barrel.

With a large dense crowd viewed at an angle, we’re talking “broad side of a barn” accuracy - not hard to hit.


217 posted on 10/02/2017 12:14:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: rarestia
Any off the shelf $400 deer should be capable of shooting 1" groups at 100 yds.

.223/5.56 rounds do not tumble until after hitting hydrostatic medium I.e. flesh.

Easy to hit 12" gongs at 400 yds with an AR or AK.

He was shooting into a tightly packed huge crowd.

224 posted on 10/02/2017 12:33:00 PM PDT by Eagles6
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