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To: rodguy911

I have two problems with 3 of 3 “fourth floor muzzle flash” video’s I’ve seen.

One issue is timing. They may not line up with the sound of muzzle blast properly. I well understand the differences in speed of light versus speed of sound. I also understand reverberation, echo, and delay. The problem I have is the sound seems to preceed the flash. Neither sound propagation, nor echo, could account for that. I know my way around firearms, I know what slugs passing over my head, at hypersonic velocities, sound like. You hear the snap, of accumulated, delayed air vibration, shortly after the slug passes by, and you hear it well BEFORE the muzzle blast, at any appreciable distance from the firing position. Again, however...you do NOT hear it before the visible muzzle flash. Light travels just too fast.

The other problem is hotel glass. Everybody noticed the 32nd floor windows blown out, but nobody mentioned or imaged fourth floor broken glass.

I am NOT saying that firing from a lower floor didn’t happen. The videos are shaky, and it’s impossible for me to be sure. I am saying, that my gut feeling isn’t comfortable with and...certain...connection between what my eyes and ears report.

Any fair search for truth, then, looks for other...possible...explanations. I come up with a strobe light, either in a room, or reflected in the glass.

I have issues with the “reflected” theory. The angles on two of the three videos change. Angle of incidence equals angle of reflection., and the visible flash doesn’t seem to move across the reflective surface. In support of reflected light, Vegas is a “neon city.” Also...the closer the source of such a light is to the reflected surface, the less it will seem to travel, to a moving observer. Even so...it appears very steady, in 3 of 3 videos.

That would suggest a light source inside the building. Any nightclubs on the fourth floor or thereabouts?

No conclusions either way. I am proceeding as if there was, and was not, shooting from a lower floor. Until I have more info, both possibilities are viable.


1,322 posted on 10/03/2017 1:00:40 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: jeffers
All excellent points and it's clear you have the right kind of experience to evaluate this stuff.

All I can do is report what I hear and see. Latest is Sheriffs dept. convinced in an audio report that there was an additional shooter "on the 29th floor."

With all this conflicting stuff floating around first thing that comes to my mind is disinformation. Trouble is the whole thing is so convoluted we don't know what is real and what is garbage.

I also think that it's possible his gal pal had a part in the entire thing if not a bigger part than we know. This guy seems like the kind of guy who would dress casually and meet friends at a rally for libs out for the day engaging in the sport of bashing us,maybe holding up a sign or two but to take the leap that he buys 100k worth of hard to find military hardware and is the sole shooter of 500 people is a leap too far for me.

1,325 posted on 10/03/2017 4:41:51 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Home of the free because of the brave!MAGA!)
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To: jeffers

https://news.worldcasinodirectory.com/tracinda-corporation-selling-all-of-its-stake-in-mgm-resorts-international-42147

Jason Goodman now suggesting that a stock sale of MGM through Tracinda corp. the holding co. of MGM grand may have been effected by the shooting/massacre, its hundreds of millions,of dollars effected.
Goodman is live now at”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pld2-rd26eA
fascinating stuff I can barely follow it.


1,326 posted on 10/03/2017 5:23:43 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Home of the free because of the brave!MAGA!)
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