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To: DoodleDawg; LucyT; Seizethecarp; Whenifhow; GregNH; LS; 2ndDivisionVet; appalachian_dweller
No. That doctrine is not applicable where the deficiency is attributed to ineligibility to hold the position. And isn't that what you are talking about with Obama?

Let us try one more time.

When a person is certified the winner and takes office under circumstances where it is clear the person was not the winner because of procedural errors in the process or other political defects in the election or certification process, their actions in office which are otherwise lawful exercise of the powers of the office are valid.

A long line of cases supporting that view.

However there is an exception to that rule which is a circumstance where the person is not eligible to hold the office. If a person takes office but it is subsequently determined that he is not eligible to hold the office, his purported acts in office are void.

That is the case with Barry. Under Article II, Sec. 1 of the US Constitution, a person who is not a Natural Born Citizen is not eligible to hold the office of President. Thus Barrys actions which require a President to take are void ab initio.

Now we have been through the entire mill on the topic of Natural Born Citizen. If his parents were Stanley Ann Dunham mother and Barack Obama Sr., he could have been a US Citizen only if he was born in the US since if he was born outside the US, Stanley Ann at age 18 was not old enough to have lived in the US long enough after age 14 to pass citizenship to Barry.

If his parents were Valerie Zelpha Helen Saruff and Malcolm Little, again, he could have been a US citizen at birth only if if he was born in the US. Valerie was not a US citizen ever; a US Citizen father such as Malcolm did not pass citizenship to a child born outside the US.

Now there are lots of people who want to argue that he couldn't have been a citizen even if born in the US--I respectfully disagree with that. The US Supreme Court will not come down on some argument about Law of Nations in the face of the accepted understanding of the 14th Amendment.

Yes, the 14th Amendment does have some language about born under the jurisdiction of the US--there is room for argument that some children born to parents whose citizenship is elsewhere and the child was born under circumstances in which the child might not have been subject to US jurisdiction (such as in an embassy proper--maybe even if the child was born because the mother visited the US for the birth for a few hours); maybe such a child might not get 14th Amendment citizenship. That's not the case with Barry--if he was really born here, all he has to do is prove it and he wins.

And again with all due respect, you hear all these arguments about him having been nationalized in Indonesia and then readmitted--none of that has anything to do with whether or not he had Natural Born Citizenship when he was born.

Sure, it may not make sense if he surrenders his citizenship and reclaims it to let him become President but the voters have spoken and that is the end of the matter.

The crucial point is whether he was born in the US or not--if not, he loses.

Bottom line--if Barry was born outside the US, he was not eligible to hold the office and his purported acts in office were void ab initio and have no continuing force and effect. Certainly true as to Keagen and Sotomayor. In Barry's case, if he were born in the US, he wouldn't flunk the Natural Born Citizen test.

195 posted on 08/23/2017 3:56:20 PM PDT by David
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To: David
However there is an exception to that rule which is a circumstance where the person is not eligible to hold the office. If a person takes office but it is subsequently determined that he is not eligible to hold the office, his purported acts in office are void.

And this is based on what exactly?

199 posted on 08/23/2017 4:47:32 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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