Posted on 08/06/2017 5:11:22 AM PDT by Libloather
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However, the group and other supporters of Calexit believe such financial risk would be worth it, particularly given that California’s political leanings are so at odds with the current administration and that California sends more tax dollars to the federal government than any other state.
“We feel that California has been neglected and left out of the political process for many, many decades,” Gonzales told the Bee.
“With current politics the way they are, clearly there’s a recognition that many in the United States have disdain for Californians. They call us ‘out of control.’ So this is a time for us to take back those tax dollars and really unleash the potential California has,” he added.
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Too stupid to be a genuine threat. Seriously? You think la la landers are a threat? Have you lived on the west coast?
If we cut them loose, and I hope we do, they will rewild most of the state, force everyone into cities, remove as many cars as possible. Raise taxes to the roof. Central Cali is already a third world country.
The largest threat will be the grizzlies they will overpopulate.
“We Americans are not giving up any federally owned land in California ever.”
I wouldn’t sell them or give them to California, just close them down as the people there are supporting California with income taxes, property taxes and other taxes.
The independent California exercise will end soon enough. However, it may provide an opportunity for America’s enemies to rent bases from the cash strapped Californians, which will cause problems, especially when they move missiles onto their new territory. Also, the crime gangs will move in and make California resemble Mexico. This is going to hurt everybody, but at the same time I’d like to remove the huge legitimate vote in national affairs as well as the illegitimate illegal vote. From that aspect, the most important one, I think, the Calexit will be good for the US.
As with everything, there is rarely a win across the board. Rather, this will have good aspects and bad aspects. We shall enjoy the one and manage the other.
You have raised the biggest objection to Cali’s secession. We can not allow it to become a staging area for hostiles.
All deeds derive their authority from permission granted by the U.S. government. My feeling is that this permission would be withdrawn. All land from Calexiters would revert to the U.S. government.
Maybe treat them like N.Korea and not permit them to house any missiles on our bases. As soon as the Feds see any kind of evidence of this beginning to happen, do a pre-emptive strike?
The thought of them seceding is just so tantalizing. If they do, and fail, and want to re-join, it would be the perfect opportunity to divide it into several states, clean out the riff raff and insane, and bust up the 9th Circuit.
Wouldn't they become ambassadors?
If not Lala landers, then the people they’d allow in. Think of the Louisiana Purchase.
Yeah .....that’s what I meant lake Mead.
This Calexit stuff is funny. It’s thrown out there without any analysis of the real challenges, like:
- The U.S. would likely withdraw their military bases, a huge economic impact.
- California has unsustainable debt which the U.S. will no longer protect or guarantee.
- Most large corporations there are U.S. based, with the bulk of their business sales and operations in the rest of the states. Many of those companies would have to relocate to the U.S. or face additional tax and import burdens.
- The numbers of poor and socially-supported people are unsustainable.
- They don’t have enough power to support their state/country, nor the resources to make it.
- The don’t have enough water to support their state/country, nor the resources to draw it.
- The population is engaging in their own “Calexit”, by moving in vast numbers out of the state. These are productive middle class citizens and fed-up wealthy folks. The exodus in unsustainable and would require California to open their borders to immigration even more, creating an even greater burden on their social systems.
These are serious gaps in their plans, which don’t seem to rise to the level of discussion. Calexit would be a disaster for California, and would be an amusing collapse to watch.
I agree, they are stupid, not to mention angry and motivated by hate. They’ll make excellent dupes for whatever nation decides to manipulate their cartoonishly simple leftist tendencies.
My predictions if Cal-exit happens. The delta smelt will start to come in cans like sardines. Desalination plants will crop up all along the pacific coast. Same with oil rigs. Prisons will be emptied as all illegals are held at empty bases until sent back to their home countries.
Finally, within a year, every liberal politician will be taken out and hanged after most California citizens realized they were the cause of the devastation.
That's funny, I celebrate secession every 4th of July: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
You either believe Californians have a right to institute a government pursuant to their happiness, or you oppose the Declaration of Independence's 'self-evident truths'.
Two articles worth the read.
1)The Scottish independence movement learned from Quebec’s failed votes for separation
2)Neverendum referendum: Voting on independence, Quebec-style
“The rest of the country is not going to allow a staging area the size and location of California to exist on our West coast.”
Bottom line.
It would be wrong of us to try to insist that those who want to exit must stay, just as it is wrong for people who are seriously out of step with (and ignorant of) the rest of the country to insist that everyone else must abide by their extremely Byzantine rules and social codes.
But the land is ours. Ownership derives from permission granted by the United States of America. This can be withdrawn. What do you think the basis for eminent domain is?
[Will never happen because the Dems can’t lose CA’s 55 electoral votes.]
They’ll seek to have them still count toward the electoral vote.
Now where is that liberal judge? They could even get the Hague and the UN involved.
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