Posted on 07/08/2017 2:34:25 PM PDT by catnipman
Bread used to celebrate the Eucharist during Roman Catholic masses must not be gluten-free - although it may be made from genetically modified organisms, the Vatican has ruled.
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I understand it was Cardinal Robert Sarah, the African prelate who heads the Sacred Liturgy office. I mean, the guy’s a liturgist. It’s what he does. That’s his job.
You mind the organist sending out directives on music?
You apparently do not know what transubstantiation means. Transubstantiation does not change outward characteristics-— appearance, scent, taste, weight, molecular structure, chemical characteristics, etc.
You apparently have no sense of humor.
"Transubstantiation does not change outward characteristics-— appearance, scent, taste, weight, molecular structure, chemical characteristics, etc."
In other words, it doesn't change at all. I know.
Precious Blood
Much ado about nothing...like you stated this has always been the case
Arranging for communion with wine tends to be troublesome.
It changes substance: what it is (as contrasted to how it appears.) Substantia. Hence the word.
If a person does not believe in the existence of things invisible as well as visible, it’s hard to see how they could be alive at all to spiritual realities taught by Judeo-Christian revelation. But perhaps you don’t claim to be.
But you already said it didn't. Quoting you, it doesn't change "weight, molecular structure, chemical characteristics". Those things aren't appearance, they are substance. It doesn't get any more substantial than "weight, molecular structure, chemical characteristics".
"If a person does not believe in the existence of things invisible as well as visible..."
I believe in lots of invisible things, because there is evidence of them. But I don't believe that something both does and does not change at the same time. That's just silly.
Drug induced gay pedophilic orgies, however, remain unbanned...
Excuse me, but you are mistaking the meaning of “substance,” in this context. This is not surprising, because over the years its common usage in English, has come to mean just as you said -— physical characteristics -— and this is, aggravatingly, the opposite of its earlier philosophical meaning, as in Latin “substantia” or in Greek “ousia.”
Forgive me this, it’s just that its context governs its meaning, and in this case the context is not physical chemistry, but metaphysics.
Briefly, we’re talking about eternal and infinite things being more significant, more consequential, more “real” than their outward signs.
I’m not saying all that to be maddeningly pedantic, but trying to get past the everyday middle-school carnel-minded misunderstandings.
All the outward signs will pass away. The Word was made flesh, and it is Himself -— the Word -— we receive in the flesh.
It’s past mybedtime. I hope my thud,-headedness has not made me too obscure. As Einstein said, “Make everything as simple as possible -— but not simpler.”
You are right to say a thing doesn’t change and not change at the same time. Not if you’re talking about the simple law of noncontradiction, the Third Rule of Logic.
Something can’t be, at the same time and in the same manner, both A and non-A.
However there could be change in a different manner. Like a photon bring both a particle and a wave. That does not insult your intelligence or defy logic, it just points to different manners of being.
What a way to weed it out of the gene pool! If you don’t partake you’ll die anyway AND go to hell!!!
Drink the consecrated wine if you can’t receive the host.
“Man had eaten bread for thousands of years. Not all of a sudden it’s bad for you?”
The bread we are eating now is very different from the bresd of thousands of years ago, even 50 years ago.
It was hybridised by a man named Norman Borlaug who changed it from a 4 ft plant to an 18 inch one. It wasn’t damaged by wind, plus they could get 3 crops in the time it used to take for one. The idea was to deal with hunger in large poor populations. Unfortunately, when it was introduced into general use in the ‘70’s they didn’t realise the changes which had been undergone by the gluten. This is the reason for the rise in gluten intolerance even for those who are not celiac.
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