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EXCLUSIVE-U.S. warship stayed on deadly collision course despite warning-container ship captain
Reuters ^ | June 26, 2017 | Tim Kelly

Posted on 06/26/2017 5:56:24 AM PDT by AU72

TOKYO, June 26 (Reuters) - A U.S. warship struck by a container vessel in Japanese waters failed to respond to warning signals or take evasive action before a collision that killed seven of its crew, according to a report of the incident by the Philippine cargo ship's captain.

Multiple U.S. and Japanese investigations are under way into how the guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald and the much larger ACX Crystal container ship collided in clear weather south of Tokyo Bay in the early hours of June 17

Those who died were in their berthing compartments, while the Fitzgerald's commander was injured in his cabin, suggesting that no alarm warning of an imminent collision was sounded.


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acxcrystal; collision; maritime; usnavy; ussfitzgerald
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To: Pollster1

Your favorite captain truly understood leadership. What a nice tale and great examples.


301 posted on 06/29/2017 2:40:21 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
The first gray paint "scuff/scrape" marks on the Crystal begin at the aft end of the name, "ACX Crystal" on her port side, of course...

That is, indeed, 'just behind the hawsepipe"...

And, yes, I expect the hawsepipe, at least, also played a roll in impeding a roll-over.

302 posted on 06/29/2017 3:36:49 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias. "Islam": Allah's assassins"oderate Muslims": Islam's useful idiots.)
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To: rlmorel; UCANSEE2
On my old 17" MacBook Pro, I have a copy pf "Morph-X", which is a rather simplistic morphing program. I may "play with" it a bit. However...

That's why morphing has been low priority for me in this case. But, when my wife's not using the 17", I'll see what happens...

Meanwhile, I'll see what exists in the realm of virus-checked, downloadable morphing software for the latest Mac OS...

Nous verrons...

303 posted on 06/29/2017 4:07:38 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias. "Islam": Allah's assassins"oderate Muslims": Islam's useful idiots.)
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To: TXnMA

The area you have colored purple surrounds an object. Do you know what that object is ?


304 posted on 06/29/2017 5:52:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: doorgunner69
I no longer bother with you, you previously exposed yourself as something of a fool.

From one crusty old fart to another, at least I don't think the Ftiz has an aluminum hull. Karma's a bitch, ain't it ?

: )

305 posted on 06/29/2017 6:00:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TXnMA
Now, my guess is that the only thing that kept the Fitz from rolling over was its main deck embedded in the stem of the Crystal

I'm confused. Do you mean BOW instead of STERN ?

306 posted on 06/29/2017 6:03:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TXnMA

Speculation on my part — Could the vertical component have resulted from the curvature of the container ship’s hull and the Fitzgerald running under it? I can’t tell how straight or curved the ship’s sides are from the photos I’ve seen.


307 posted on 06/29/2017 6:11:38 PM PDT by Bob (Damn, the democrats haven't been this upset since Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: UCANSEE2; rlmorel
"The area you have colored purple surrounds an object. Do you know what that object is ?"

I assume you're referring to that table-looking thing with the white "bumps around the edge of the "tabletop"...

Nope -- I'm a USAF guy -- and I wondered, too. Maybe some of our Navy friends can help...

308 posted on 06/29/2017 6:36:48 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias. "Islam": Allah's assassins"oderate Muslims": Islam's useful idiots.)
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To: UCANSEE2
"I'm confused. Do you mean BOW instead of STERN ?"

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Maybe you had better clean your glasses... '-)

That word was, "stem" -- as in "STEM".

Must admit the lowercase "m" in some fonts can be confused with, "rn"...

I don't normally use Wikipedia -- but they got this one right:

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Stem (ship) - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_(ship) The stem is the most forward part of a boat or ship's bow and is an extension of the keel itself.
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FRegards! TXnMA

309 posted on 06/29/2017 6:49:23 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias. "Islam": Allah's assassins"oderate Muslims": Islam's useful idiots.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Reading comprehension issues? Post some more goofball graphics you found and vigorously defend them.

Cannot say for the destroyer design of the Ftiz, but the Ticonderoga Aegis cruisers were mostly aluminum.

310 posted on 06/29/2017 7:52:23 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: TXnMA
Maybe you had better clean your glasses... '-)

No kidding. Thanks. And I learned something new. Today is already a success.

311 posted on 06/30/2017 1:06:23 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TXnMA

Thus the saying.... From Stem to Stern. It’s been a long time since I heard that phrase.


312 posted on 06/30/2017 1:10:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TXnMA

The area in purple is a sponson, and it looks like an antennae or even a chaff dispenser of some kind.


313 posted on 06/30/2017 4:14:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: rlmorel; UCANSEE2
Ah! " sponson"!! I, too have started the day off well -- by learning something! Thanks!! [Somehow, I suspected that warships didn't have "little balconies"...] LOL!

Now that you mention it, that one does look somewhat like the stabilizing sponsons set low on the sides of the hulls of some seaplanes / flying boats / amphibians...

I *might* have guessed antennae -- but, I never knew warships carried chaff dispensers -- like aircraft do... That's a "twofer!"! Thanks again!

~~~~~~~~~~

Now to head out into the heat, humidity, chiggers & poison ivy -- to continue archaeological excavation on the remains of a WWII (1942-1946) iron ore processing site... (Wednesday, I was on a ca 1854 slave/freedmen church site...)

Never let it be said that life stops at retirement -- or, at 80... '-)

314 posted on 06/30/2017 6:31:52 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's alias. "Islam": Allah's assassins"oderate Muslims": Islam's useful idiots.)
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To: TXnMA

Here is a blog with an interesting comment. The action described seems consistent the damage seen on the Fitzgerald and the Crystal.

http://www.vesselofinterest.com/2017/06/mapping-acx-crystals-collision-with-uss.html

“”1. Anonymous 24 June 2017 at 22:35:00 GMT-4
My guess, and it’s only a guess without the Fitzgerald’s data, is that Fitgerald got off the Crystal’s bow by bringing engines up to full power and turning away to port. The stern of the Fitzgerald probably didn’t smack the aft port side of the Crystal because the bow of the Crystal started swinging to port, and her stern to starboard, with the auto-pilot trying to get back to the set course. If someone happened to be out on the port bridge wing, they probably would have seen the Fitzgerald peeling off.

The ship going nearly sideways while the Fitsgerald pushed the bow around certainly would scrub off a lot of speed in a hurry. Red light is commonly used while making rough log entries, plotting on paper chart (increasingly rare), and tasks usually done as part of watchstanding duties. I suspect that some watch officers try to catch up on other paperwork perhaps not readily done under a red light. Also, a lot of paperwork these days is done on compute.””


315 posted on 06/30/2017 7:12:30 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: TXnMA

You are an inspiration, but then again, 80 is new 60 I’m told...

The platform it rests on could be called a sponson or a catwalk...sponson might be a more substantial structure with an underlying piece of the hull supporting it.

They use chaff dispensers for close in baffling of incoming missile’s radars...if they use that kind.


316 posted on 06/30/2017 7:31:11 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: rlmorel

Can you post a map of the course of the WAN HAI 266 and the ACX CRYSTAL in the hour preceding the collision? My AIS mapping skills and FR posting skills are not up to the challenge.

“Note WAN HAI 266 was to the port side of USS Fitzgerald. Sailing parallel to ACX Crystal with USS Fitzgerald sandwiched.
When ACX Crystal A/C to 070 then minutes later WAN HAI also A/C to 070.
It seems that USS Fitzgerald does NOT change course and stays on track.....”


317 posted on 06/30/2017 8:30:45 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

what website do you go to do to get the data. You want them overlaid?


318 posted on 06/30/2017 8:41:20 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: rlmorel; TXnMA

319 posted on 06/30/2017 8:50:42 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: rlmorel; TXnMA
From the following, it looks like that area of the ship , if damaged, could knock out COMMUNICATIONS.

Here it is identified as SEWIP.


320 posted on 06/30/2017 8:55:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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