[HamiltonJay]

Obama was more embarrassing that Carter.. and a bigger failure... only a media that would not tell the truth, combined with a public school system that has abject failed for nearly 40 years that propped his pathetic incompetence up

[wbill]

Certainly it's up for debate, but I think that Carter was merely incompetent. A man in far, far over his head. He did incredible damage to the US, but it was probably unintentional. And, frankly, the country recovered from it.

BO was malignant, and more actively destructive. The country is in a far weaker position than 1976-80, as well, so his damage ran much deeper.

We'll know in a generation or so, if we're able to recover. 4 years of Trump might stop the bleeding, 8 might start a recovery. But, I'll likely not be around to see the end of it.