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To: HandyDandy
“They created their own “constitution” of, by and for slavery.”

Let's take a moment to remember that both the USA and the CSA had pro-slavery constitutions. And each had a president that swore to uphold their nation's pro-slavery constitution. Lincoln took the oath twice.

In an earlier post you claimed bluntly: “The South was going down either way, son. Don't you realize that Taney's decision in Dred Scott meant War?”

The South had no reason for war because of Dred Scott so your “meant War” had to refer to a knee-jerk northern inspired war.

Now you claim: “They (the South) created their own “constitution” . . . And then (the South) provoked war . . .”

HandyDandy answers HandyDandy.

416 posted on 06/23/2017 8:04:39 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
With the Dred Scot decision, there was no turning away from slavery now for the South. They were fully invested. They pretty much knew this meant leaving the Union. Everyone knew Civil War was imminent. The country was even further divided by the Dred Scot Decision.

You say "The South had no reason for war because of Dred Scott so your “meant War” had to refer to a knee-jerk northern inspired war." That's just "you saying". The South now owned the peculiar institution. Taney's "subhuman" blacks were theirs forever to perpetuate and expand. They couldn't do that while joined at the hip to the North. Remember, it was the South that de-ratified the US Constitution which they had ratified. While you claim the North violently overthrew it. Your argument only works, and even then weakly, if one believe that the US Constitution was pro-slavery. Here is how Lincoln viewed the US Constitution and Slavery. Unfortunately, your mind is closed:

"I believe the declara[tion] that 'all men are created equal' is the great fundamental principle upon which our free institutions rest; that negro slavery is violative of that principle; but that, by our frame of government, that principle has not been made one of legal obligation; that by our frame of government, the States which have slavery are to retain it, or surrender it at their own pleasure; and that all others---individuals, free-states and national government---are constitutionally bound to leave them alone about it. I believe our government was thus framed because of the necessity springing from the actual presence of slavery, when it was framed. That such necessity does not exist in the teritories[sic], where slavery is not present." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Letter to James N. Brown" (October 18, 1858), p. 327.

417 posted on 06/23/2017 8:40:00 PM PDT by HandyDandy ("I reckon so. I guess we all died a little in that damn war.")
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