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I have seen MIS-INFORMATION about this on Freerepublic. The CO is Bryce Benson, No CDR Shu.

Official Navy release of Collision helps clarify.

Additionally, if sailors went overboard because of the collision, they could could have sucked into the propellors or run over by either ship involved.

People need to pray for the sailors.

1 posted on 06/17/2017 3:16:48 AM PDT by topher
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What’s normal practice, life vests on deck? Which ought to float the wearer well enough to avoid below surface equipment? May the Lord have mercy but sometimes people can be foolish.


2 posted on 06/17/2017 3:27:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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If this is still the Navy I used to be in then the Navy Safety Command Center will study this accident/incident for years. Dozens of training films with catchy titles will be made and this incident will be used as an example in every seamanship class going forward. It will be scrutinized to death ad nauseum.


8 posted on 06/17/2017 3:44:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I’ve been out of the loop....does it look like it was the
fault of the Fitzgerald?


10 posted on 06/17/2017 3:55:31 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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How the hell do two ships collide?


19 posted on 06/17/2017 4:01:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Update...

Stricken destroyer Fitzgerald returns home; 7 sailors still missing

Continuing prayers for our sailors.

22 posted on 06/17/2017 4:03:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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I suspect NKOR engineered accident. 2 giant ships just don’t collide without intention from one party to the other and I doubt this was U.S ship captain that was inatentive.

The news is strange. They’re not trying to smear Trump with this. Like the wording is too perfect to be informative that a ship was damaged and people lost, killed and injured, but no indications of the circumstances and the demographics of the merchant vessel.


26 posted on 06/17/2017 4:07:34 AM PDT by Fhios
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There were conflicting reports from the U.S. Navy (my Navy, I’m retired USNR) about this incident. One of the first official reports didn’t mention lost sailors, or an injured skipper.


36 posted on 06/17/2017 4:19:48 AM PDT by Ace's Dad (BTW, "Ace" is now Captain Ace. But only when I'm bragging about my airline pilot son!)
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Both vessels, are required to have an AIS system. I know the Navy would be operating under “stealth” mode, but the container ship would show on their system. Bridge to bridge communication should have come into play, to avoid the accident.

The AIS on my vessel is interfaced with the radar and plotter and set to 3 nautical miles. Alarms would have been sounding when another vessel entered that range.

What kind of action was taken to avoid the accident?


38 posted on 06/17/2017 4:20:12 AM PDT by Capt_Hank (btu's...kcal's...to kJ's, but my activation energy is still high.)
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The container ship is 29,000 tons, kinda small for that category.
Regardless of which ship had the right-of-way both, and esp the smaller more maneuverable ship, have an obligation to avoid a collision.
IMO the Fitzgerald is at fault.

Hope the captain had a good major in college, he’ll need it.


54 posted on 06/17/2017 4:44:49 AM PDT by Vinnie
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After looking at this crude drawing, it appears if the damage had been slight more towards the bow a missile magazine would have been involved. Not good. They may have been lucky in this regard.

63 posted on 06/17/2017 4:57:01 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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It looks to me like the tanker or whatever hit the Navy ship at mid section. I can’t see how the Navy ship could have suffered that damage if it hit the other ship first.


65 posted on 06/17/2017 4:58:34 AM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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“Navy ship collides with” ......thats all I have read.

The photos show a gash in the side of the USN and the bow of the container ship scraped up.
Looks to me like the container collide with the Starboard side of the USN.
What gives?


69 posted on 06/17/2017 5:04:13 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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https://www.local10.com/news/politics/us-navy-destroyer-takes-on-water-after-collision-off-japanese-coast

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According to a Navy news release from last month, Benson, the Fitzgerald’s commander,
was new to the position, taking command of the vessel May 13 after serving as the ship’s
executive officer, or second in command, since November 2015.

The Fitzgerald is the second command for Benson, a 1999 Naval ROTC graduate of
Marquette University. He commanded the minesweeper USS Guardian, operating out of
Sasebo, Japan, from 2008 to 2010, before taking shore assignments in Washington
and with US Pacific Command.

The collision was the second in the region for US Navy warship in just over a month.
On May 9, the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain was struck by a South Korean
fishing boat off the Korean Peninsula.

No injuries were reported from that incident, which a Navy official said occurred when
the fishing boat’s crew did not have a radio to hear warnings from the US warship.

end snip


84 posted on 06/17/2017 5:33:59 AM PDT by deport
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The Captain might as well start retirement plans now!!!


86 posted on 06/17/2017 5:35:57 AM PDT by ontap
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The bulbous bow of the cargo ship probably did a lot of damage to the Fitzgerald under the waterline. That may be where the missing sailors are.

It’s hard to imagine a scenario that would bring these ships together that does not involve intent to do so. It would take a great deal of skill and luck for the large ship to catch the smaller ship. That leaves some sort of suicide or sabotage on board the Navy ship.


94 posted on 06/17/2017 5:58:16 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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Seven sailors are “missing.”


107 posted on 06/17/2017 6:13:48 AM PDT by txrefugee
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No excuse for the Captain, the OOD, and the bridge crew. They are done. A DD allowing itself to be T-boned by a merchant ship is a disgrace.


108 posted on 06/17/2017 6:14:45 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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One was Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Fitzgerald's commanding officer, who was transferred to U.S. Naval Hospital Yokosuka and is reportedly in stable condition.

The article did not go on to say his career was admitted to hospice.

118 posted on 06/17/2017 6:41:55 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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The Pacific ocean off Japanese waters are subject to radar “ducting” phenomena where the humidity and temperature blocks surface search radar reception.

When conditions of water humidity and temperature are right, and the antenna is high enough off the water, radar waves will be deflected higher into the atmosphere.

This reduces radar range to dangerously short ranges for surface vessels.

See:

http://www.splashmaritime.com.au/Marops/data/text/Radartex/Radartex_files/image083.jpg

As USS Fitzgerald was operating at 2:00 am local time in a dense fog for local conditions. All of which is perfect for radar ducting to occur.


123 posted on 06/17/2017 7:06:10 AM PDT by Dark Wing (terrorism, disease, public health)
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125 posted on 06/17/2017 7:10:04 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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