Posted on 06/15/2017 12:34:31 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
As we have reported previously, it is no secret the U.S. has made and still make use of captured or otherwise acquired Russian aircraft for test, evaluation and training purposes including the development of U.S. radars, countermeasures and early warning systems (earlier this year we published some really rare images of a Russian Su-27 Flanker dogfighting with a U.S. F-16 inside Area 51…)
Has Russia done the same with U.S. aircraft? Absolutely.
The RT video below contains some quite famous footage of a Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter formerly stationed at Bien Hoa Air Base in Vietnam being operated in Soviet markings against a MiG-21 (NATO codename “Fishbed”). The aircraft was seized along with “several US military aircraft”, taken to the USSR and used in a test and evaluation project to determine the capabilities of the F-5 series compared to Warsaw Pact aircraft.
Bien Hoa Air Base was overrun by Communist forces on Apr. 25, 1975 as the Vietnam War (referred to as the “American War” in Vietnam) neared its end.
A number of F-5A and F-5E aircraft attributed to the 522nd Fighter Squadron were left behind intact at the air base. Because the F-5E version of the aircraft had only flown for the first time three years earlier in 1973 and was being marketed to other Western user nations it was of significant interest to the Warsaw Pact.
Was the F-5 a threat to the Russian mainstay MiG-21? This video shows testing to answer that question in Russia.
At least one of the F-5s, in Soviet markings, was tested in opposing forces simulation with the MiG-21 as shown in this video.
Soviet pilots from Chkalov’s Russian Flight Test Center near the Volga River, a facility similar to the secret test ranges at Tonopah and Edwards AFB, were reportedly impressed by the performance of the F-5 against the MiG-21. Interestingly, Soviet engineers assumed the MiG-21 was more advanced but the F-5 won every time in the simulated air combat carried out in USSR. According to some reports the Russian pilots who flew the F-5 against the MiG-21 were named Vladimir Kandaurov, Alexander Bezhevets and Nikolay Stogov. The findings of these fly-offs and simulated combat were said to contribute to the development of the MiG-23 for the Russians, an aircraft that was imported to several Arab nations friendly with the USSR.
Noteworthy, the F-5 was so similar to the MiG-21, it was used as
Another curious development from behind the Iron Curtain was this photo of a what seems to be a McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom aircraft (or mock-up) under a tarp at the famous Zhukovskiy airfield near Moscow. The photo is allegedly from Aug. 11, 1971. It includes a French-built Mirage aircraft, also under cover, parked next to it. The massive Myasishchev M-4 Molot strategic bomber in front of the F-4 and the Mirage add some scale to the image.
An F-4 Phantom II and a French Mirage III sit under cover behind a Russian Myasishchev M-4 heavy bomber in Russia. (International Air Power Review Photo)
There have also been some interesting hoax aircraft flown in the Photoshop air force with Russian markings. The most famous is an F-14 Tomcat said to be taken from the Iranian Air Force following the fall of the Shah of Iran during the Iranian Revolution in 1978. While the photo looks convincing and the story is certainly plausible, most analysts agree it is faked.
A Photoshopped image of a Grumman F-14 with fake Russian Markings. Internet contributors contended the aircraft went to Russia from Iran for testing but the story proved to be untrue and the photo manipulated. (The Aviation Forum)
Perhaps the most interesting question is, does Russia own current frontline U.S. tactical aircraft as a part of its opposing forces unit? Are there Russian-marked F-16s or F-15s flying somewhere in Russia? The answer is, likely no.
The U.S. has been careful about the distribution of tactical aircraft to nations that may realign with Russia from the U.S. if their strategic alliances shift. And while relations with Russia and the U.S. have been much more open since the end of the Cold War there are still many reasons why the U.S. and Russia are vigorous about maintaining security about their respective combat aircraft.
Have you ever heard reports or rumors about American aircraft in the hands of the Russians? Let us know.
F-5s were a good third-world fighter...relatively cheap and easy to work on (relatively speaking). Pretty dependable.
When I was in the USAF 40+ years ago, the Air Force used the F-5’s as aggressors to simulate MIGs in dogfights with the new F-15s. They made the ground crew paint big yellow stripes on the F-5s because they were so difficult for the F-15 pilots to see - like looking at the end of a pin. Too bad the Russians weren’t as accommodating.
I am glad I left Bien Hoa, before that happened. 😀🙃
I was in a Navy adversary squadron with F-5s and the paint shop put a robin’s egg blue camouflage paint scheme on one of the aircraft. It was like a cloaking device. It would dissapear from view well inside 3/4s of a mile. You would be looking right at it and then “poof” it was gone.
Points out the “problem” with assumptions about how easy it is to shoot down A-10’s above a battlefield “manually” by shoulder-fired missiles.
Can be done of course, but not easily.
From a submarine periscope, looking against the horizon, it is very, very easy to see ships with their current paint schemes. That needs to be changed - for merchants and for USN ships.
Ship paint schemes of past wars were for spoofing the speed estimates for torpedo solutions. Effective, too.
You do come up with some good posts.
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The aircraft I left in Vietnam wasn’t in great shape when I left it .... In a hell of a hurry
“When I was in the USAF 40+ years ago, the Air Force used the F-5’s as aggressors to simulate MIGs in dogfights with the new F-15s”
They still do. We had some buzzing us at 200 feet near Middlegate Nevada last month. F-5s in brown camo, red star, the works. They agress with those, A-4s, F-16s and also Kifers (Isreali made Mirage clone). They are based out of Fallon NAS for Top Gun.
An A-10 is a lot bigger than an F-5, and it is reeeeaaallly slow.
Any injures from the sudden, unplanned separation?
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