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To: MamaTexan

Are you saying that is a parent has a child, and one of the two parents is not a citizen, that child is not a citizen if the child is born elsewhere? But if two illegals sneak across the border and have a kid here, HE is a citizen?

Someone else said that because she was underage, he was not a citizen.

Other people say that his mother and her parents renounced citizenship, ergo, he was not a citizen.

There are all kinds of confusing stories about why he is not a citizen, or why he is.

The one question I have is if he was not a citizen why has no one been able to successfully challenge his presidency in the courts?

If he was not legally a citizen when he was president, every law he signed and every judge he appointed to the federal courts right up to Soto Mayor and Kagan are INVALID and ILLEGAL.

That is FINE with me.

But how do you prove it?


91 posted on 06/12/2017 7:14:16 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! HE KILLED OBAMACARE REPEAL AND WILL KILL TAX REFORM!!)
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To: ZULU

A citizen is not necessarily a natural born citizen.

The Founding Fathers wanted that one position, the president of these United States to have no HINT of foreign allegiance, hence the singular requirement for that person to meet the jus soli (from the soil, that is born on American soil) and jus sangre (from blood, that is BOTH parents are citizens either naturalized, native born, or natural born).

Imagine John McCain were elected president (God forbid!), and the enemies of America stirred up trouble in his native Panama.

ANYTHING he did, or didn’t do would become a political football! He would be rendered unable to freely act in America’s best interests.


93 posted on 06/12/2017 7:48:18 AM PDT by null and void ( The Flat Earth Society claims they have members all around the globe!)
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To: ZULU
But if two illegals sneak across the border and have a kid here, HE is a citizen?

He is not a citizen according to the Constitution, only according to the government.

The 14th Amendment does NOT make citizens of foreigners just because the were born here. Not according to the men who wrote it, anyway.

The definition entered into the Congressional record of the House on March 9, 1866 during the discussion concerning the 14th Amendment:
“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” John A. Bingham
page 1291
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332

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The one question I have is if he was not a citizen why has no one been able to successfully challenge his presidency in the courts?

Because the courts no longer operate under the Constitution, they operate under pure administrative law. In a nutshell, it no longer has to acknowledge our Right to Petition, because IT can choose to acknowledge whether a petitioning party has 'standing'...or not.

IF Trump can push back the Administrative state, the question of Barry's birth might become a whole 'nother ball game.

I'm fairly certain the head of the Executive branch would have standing, since part of 'faithfully executing the laws' would be insuring they were valid to begin with.

105 posted on 06/12/2017 1:49:36 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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