[Chainmail]

So, what - your position is to throw up the white flag, study Wahabbist Islam and hope they won't come get you?

C'mon - manhood in this country hasn't fallen that far, has it?

[jospehm20]

No, my position is that after 16 years invested we need to either win it or cut our losses. I am not a great strategic thinker but it seems to me that we were much closer to winning in 2012 than we are now in terms of area controlled. Is your position that we should stay there for decades, spend lots more money, give up more ground and get more of our people killed without trying to win? That is what I think we have pretty much been doing for the past few years. What we are doing in Afghanistan looks like the definition of insanity to me, time to try something different.