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To: arrogantsob

“Stalin’s crimes were well known in the West just not in the USSR. It did not take Solzhenitsyn’s genius to reveal them. It was very well known that Uncle Joe had millions killed in the Great Purge. Solzhenitsyn just showed the depth of the inhumanity. He is the greatest novelist of the 20th century.”

FDR acted as though he didn’t even know about Stalin’s crimes, and even indicated that he placed more trust in him than in Churchill specifically because the latter “wasn’t imperialist.” So no, I’m pretty sure the West at large was clueless about Stalin’s actions. And as far as it being very well known Stalin killed millions in the Great Purge, it may have been well known among the Soviets, but it most certainly wasn’t well-known in the West. Let me remind you that Walter Duranty actually made it seem as though the Soviet Union was a literal paradise, and everyone BELIEVED him instead of demanding for his firing for clearly slanting the news.

“It is ridiculous to think that nuclear war should result from ANYTHING that the USSR did to Che. That is an in-house squabble in which we had no part.”

No, an in-house squabble would have Che Orwellian retconned, NOT resulting in a disinformation campaign to essentially lionize him. For a good idea, think along the lines about how Stalin often erased his own buddies from photographs after killing them when they rubbed the wrong way, or how Khrushchev managed to utterly destroy Stalin’s reputation with the Secret Speech. And I think you fail to remember that Che nearly tried to nuke us out of existence, and the Soviets also tried to put nukes in Cuba in the first place specifically so they COULD nuke us out of existence easily.

“Where did you get the idea that the CIA would not deal with the Left, it definitely would if it were in its interest. It certainly dealt with Castro by providing arms to his forces early in the game.”

For starters, calling someone affiliated with the CIA is a very good way to get you ostracized by the left, if not outright killed by them, meaning the left if anything would have absolutely no part with the CIA at all. Sartre even tends to denounce anyone he doesn’t like as being a CIA agent, for example (like, for instance, his fingering Levy as a CIA agent when he first appeared on the scene). So if the Left doesn’t want to deal with the CIA other than making sure the latter party’s dead/discredited, do you REALLY think the CIA would want to deal with the Left other than making sure they were dead? Heck, Che Guevara even tried to justify his murders by claiming they were all “CIA”. And anyways, the sources provided for Conservapedia showed the CIA were actually heavily involved in taking OUT Communist dictators, and the bandit wars indicated that, if anything, the CIA simply armed their allies with the wrong armaments, NOT armed Castro’s men. Now, the State Department WAS allied with the left, unfortunately, as was the OSS.

“There were Right leaning media outlets. Back then the Chicago Tribune, the Indianapolis Star, the Detroit News, the Arkansas Democrat and the Manchester Guardian are only some of them.”

But were they organized? That’s the issue. Unlike NBC, CBS, or heck, even ABC, most of the news during that time was dominated by the left, and arguably had been ever since Walter Lippmann insisted that objective journalism work with left-leaning university systems. Until FOX came up, not to mention radio talk show personalities like Rush Limbaugh, the left had a monopoly over news outlets. That’s also why it was popularly believed that we lost the Tet Offensive when in reality we had won it, because Walter Cronkite said it and therefore people believed it to be true.

“No I do not know the game you reference but I do have first hand knowledge of the AWM and can say for a fact that the media was hostile until opposing it became less dangerous.”

I have the Politically Incorrect Guide to the 1960s, and it paints the opposite picture, that the media if anything were either in willing collusion with the AWM or otherwise just duped by them. I’ll dig it out sometime today and give you the exact passages dealing with that.

“Certain Roman Catholic priests helped the Nazis escape and it is common knowledge that they did. Some even worked with the Nazis while the war was going on.”

Okay, I have heard of that bit. However, I might as well note that the Catholic Church by and large was against the Nazis during World War II.

“I read a review of Pacepa’s book and it said exactly what I though it would say: no facts about Oswald linking him to KGB, he would not have survived going rogue and the USSR would have never gotten involved in killing a president.”

Even after he gave extensive footnotes to it, including the historical diary and his having a Soviet wife (which only those affiliated with the KGB would be able to have), not to mention how even his own bosses were pretty sure the KGB or at the very least Castro were definitely involved in JFK’s death? And besides, they got involved in the attempted assassination of the Shah of Iran and even the Italian prime minister, and those WOULD have been the equivalent of killing a sitting president, enough to go to war over. If they could do that, they most certainly could assassinate the president if they so desired.

“The CIA is a hard left wing group. When asked to do tasks that help the left: Arm Castro and overthrow Batista they do a great job. When asked to do right wing things like: kill Castro they deliver the bay of pigs and exploding cigar plots and then leak the details to the press.

President Reagan didn’t trust to the point that he kept them out of his work on overthrowing the Soviet Union. He relied on military intelligence and the NSA.”

They did NOT arm Castro. The Soviets did. At worst, the CIA only gave their allies bad ammunition. And besides, they also played a role in Allende’s execution as well as Che Guevara’s death, which they wouldn’t have done if they were part of the left. If any government department actually was aiding Castro, it was the State Department. But I do agree ultimately that the CIA may not be too competent, hence why Reagan trusted military intelligence over CIA.


380 posted on 07/02/2017 2:35:43 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

I might as well add something else: The SDS was specifically mentioned to have been infiltrated by the Soviets, which likewise would include the KGB. If they truly avoided leftist causes like the plague to avoid indicating what their next move was, they wouldn’t even BE in the SDS, so that alone proves that claim to be false.


383 posted on 07/02/2017 3:31:03 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

You are probably not as old as I but we were taught anti-communist propaganda through the fifties and half of the Sixties. Our reading was “Darkness At Noon” and “Animal Farm.” One of many people’s favorite TV programs was “I Led Three Lives” about an FBI informant who had infiltrated the Communist Party. There were loads of movies and other TV shows which had anti-communist themes with major stars: Clark Gable, John Wayne and others. Paul Harvey, a forerunner of Rush, spoke the truth to the American People daily and there were others.

The media back then was NOTHING like today. Decency was praised-Degeneracy disparaged. Tradition was venerated-Utopianism disliked. Patriotism promoted - not ridiculed as unenlightening Jingoism. Christianity praised not just conservative either - it was not considered an archaic and dangerous superstition. America was portrayed as the good, noble hearted nation that it is, not painted as the epitome of Evil which the Democratmedia of today uses to attack patriots and all righteousness.


385 posted on 07/05/2017 12:45:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com)
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