“When your claim that the Col. was not a foreign intelligence operative is totally refuted, it makes everything else he says questionable. There are many pages describing his work in Mexico City precisely as a KGB operative from the Embassy.
Pacepa would not have had ANY first hand knowledge of any KGB operations outside those in Romania, he would have known what they wanted him to know and nothing more.”
Clearly, you aren’t aware of the pretty high role he played in the KGB operations of Operation Dragon, Operation Che, and Operation Ares, which he makes clear in various books and articles, including, among others, Disinformation.
“The Soviets LIED about everything. All its propaganda was disinformation.”
So I guess Khrushchev was lying when he said to his top officials that he wanted JFK dead, and that viper whore?
And for the record, I know that the propaganda against the West was disinformation. I’ve read his book Disinformation, after all. Heck, I’ve even watched the DVD on it.
“Che Guervara has nothing to do with this discussion. Or his relations with the Soviets. Che had worn out his welcome with both Castro and the Soviets and many claim that he was sent to Bolivia to eliminate him. HIs death served international communism far more effectively than anything in his life.”
Yeah, except the moment he gave the West propaganda to use against the East by even opening his mouth about Cuba’s aims during the Cuban Missile Crisis about the nukes, they would have Orwellian Retconned him. That’s what I would have done if I were in the Communists position because I don’t want anything even minor to tarnish international communism (again, if I were communist).
“Agents working as illegals would have NO public relations with Leftist groups. Oswald’s “leftism” was strictly an act.”
Tell that to Jean-Paul Sartre (who, BTW, was confirmed to be in bed with the KGB by Pacepa) and I.F. Stone (who IS a confirmed KGB agent). Both of whom were leftists and they had relations with the KGB, and Sartre was more than a little public with it considering he denounced anyone as CIA and rooted for various Communist groups and even the USSR, at least until the tanks started rolling into Hungary.
“Pacepa’s defection is basically irrelevant to the claim that Harvey was programmed to kill then control was lost. Perhaps his longevity shows that he was not considered dangerous to the Soviets. Nor does the opinion of Romanian leaders have anything to do with who killed JFK.”
Romanian leaders who actually met with Khrushchev. And for the record, Pacepa was practically responsible for Ceausceau’s death via his book Red Horizons, he even said the charges were taken “word for word” from his book. If I were a communist, or even a KGB agent, I’d consider him VERY dangerous for that. And besides, Pacepa’s using a fake name and under protection right now. And use your head, the USSR is a very totalitarian regime and would not tolerate defections. Do you really think someone, especially of Pacepa’s caliber (he’s the highest ranking Soviet-bloc intelligence officer to ever defect, being of a higher rank than even that KGB officer who defected) would have been allowed to defect to America? That would actually pose a huge problem to the Soviets due to it potentially undoing any and all of their propaganda efforts.
“None of your examples are of the nature of a suicidality dangerous plot to train JFK’s killer. They are minor league stuff in comparison. No one claimed the KGB is superhuman but given its networks of moles and infiltrators killing LHO was child’s play.”
I’m pretty sure that them aiding people in taking over countries for a Communist Insurrection, especially if they were our allies, is grounds for war. It most certainly was with World War I. And honestly, had I been president at that time and the Soviets tried to invade my allies, we WOULD declare war, and even fire nukes to obliterate the Soviets via Turkey before they even had a chance to launch their armaments.
“Your other irrelevant comments ignore the role of the FBI as agent provocateurs throughout the history of the Leftist movements here. The Anti-War Movement was composed of ignorant but idealistic Americans easily led by any agent of a foreign power. Most of SDS’s Weatherman leaders were spoiled kids from wealthy families allied to domestic civil rights advocates. There were attempts to influence the AWM by Maoist groups, Trotskyite groups, those spouting the Stalinist line were not very prominent. Often the violence was instigated by our domestic intelligence agencies and is widely known. The AWM was strictly and comprehensibly monitored by the FBI and local “Red Squads”.”
Not very prominent? They literally said they wanted their allies in North Vietnam to win, and received direct training from the KGB and Cubans. They most certainly weren’t “faked”. And the Weather Underground was most certainly prone to killing others. And for the record, Larry Grathwol, an FBI informant within the group, exposed that the Weather Underground planned to kill well over a million Americans via re-education camps. I doubt the FBI instigated several of the attacks. Let them occur to gather information on them? Maybe, but instigating them? No, the groups in question if anything had their violence instigated by the Communists they answered to.
“You assume too much, I never said the KGB/Soviets were ignorant of the attacks on Castro since HE certainly wasn’t and loudly complained about them. Too be clearer the American people were ignorant of the war. Our media did not publicize the issue and often allowed itself to be used by the intelligence agencies both wittingly and unwittingly.”
I’m not. And while I will agree that, unfortunately, our media was used by the intelligence agencies of our enemy, they most certainly weren’t used by our own intelligence agencies (if they were, we would have gotten a whole lot more victories and actually averted the anti-war movement before it began).
“Jack Ruby was familiar with Lee’s actions in New Orleans wrt to the fake organization he pretended to be a part of. That episode was so obviously contrived it is laughable. He had more contact with the FBI, the Dallas police and the Mafia families in NO and Dallas than he ever did with Castro.”
That wasn’t a fake organization (or at least, not CIA fake), and he was indeed a member. And for the record, you DO realize that he tried to get a visa to Cuba, right? If he were simply doing it for the CIA or even the Mafia, why go to Cuba specifically (and based on CIA documents, he even tried to get visas for the USSR, implying that Cuba was a relay point)? There were a whole lot of countries that don’t have direct communist ties that he could go to to avoid extradition.
It has DEFINITELY been proven that the CIA constantly used the media here. For you to claim that only foreign intelligence agencies manipulated the news is too ludicrous for someone knowledge to claim. “Operation Hummingbird” was the program.
With the Vietnam War the media turned on its allies and undermined the US effort. CIA still used it to spread the “Pentagon Papers” which whitewashed its role in the War.
It had been run by CIA for almost a decade. LBJ turned to the military to try and get their chestnuts out of the fire.
Pacepa apparently was a press agent for spreading lies, he did as ordered but has NO knowledge of the KGB/Oswald relation. He has plenty of speculations, assumptions, rumors and gossip but no hard evidence.
There is no evidence, Pacepa’s gossip notwithstanding, that Khrushchev’s said anything of the sort. But it is a juicy piece of gossip. Had he any desire to kill JFK no one would know about it other than he and the head of the KGB. Such a plan would have people working to fulfill it who would not even know the ultimate goal. It is all compartimentalized with everything on a Need to Know Basis.
Not only was Che not under the Soviet thumb but he was too big to kill. It would have hurt Intercom more than having him run his mouth. He had begun to doubt the price of the
Soviet “aid”. That was one of the reasons he was exiled. “Let the Americans kill him.” Then he becomes a “martyr”.
Stone and Sartre were fellow-travelers and Communists but their roles were not comparable to that of the mythic Oswald, inserted to actually kill a president. Such a person would do everything possible to avoid ANY public activity. That duo were used to spread disinformation but that is ENTIRELY different than killing a president.
Most of the Soviet scheming to overthrow governments was covered by “Plausible Deniability” not by assassination. It only invaded as a last resort knowing the black eye that would result.
“Ho, Ho, Ho’s Gonna Win” was the sentiment of most of the AWM that is without doubt and given the political war, was a correct prediction. There is no identity between a sentiment beneficial to the USSR and direction by the USSR.
My belief that we are wrong in Syria and Putin is right does not mean I have any connection to Russia.
There are numerous examples of domestic agents instigating violence, it is an excellent method of discrediting the organizations they had penetrated.
Weatherman was good at killing themselves another indication that it was domestically and amateurishly created. KGB would have trained them as assassins had it wished to, fewer townhouses would have been blown up.
There was no FPfCC in New Orleans. It was a creation of LHO totally. Another smoke out Pro-Castro supporters act.
You don’t seriously believe that Oswald actually believed the Cubans would let him in do you? The first thing it would have done would be to check with the KGB and would have rejected him without delay. And there is NO chance it would let him in after killing JFK, none.
If he was planning to kill the president why the heck would he go to Cuba? Makes zero sense. Another episode in his Leftist act.