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To: arrogantsob

“You cannot get over the idea that a KGB-trained killer would use that rifle or be as flamboyantly obvious as LHO. Never in a million years. We aren’t talking about The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight but highly skilled professionals”

Actually, Pacepa was highly involved with the DIE and, yes, the KGB as well, and besides which also showed PLENTY of evidence of the KGB’s fingerprints all over the assassination. Heck, it even details that Oswald had been recruited by the KGB as early as when he was stationed in Japan, AND that there was evidence that he supplied the Soviets with intel regarding the secret flight path of U2 Spy Planes that resulted in Gary Powers being shot down.

“The alleged attempt on Walker apparently involved more than one man so having a KGB handler would not be out of the question, someone else was there as per witnesses. In addition, the fact that he allegedly shot and MISSED a stationary target is further evidence that he would have never been tasked with a much more difficult shot at JFK. Was he intended to produce a trail of evidence pointing to himself as the killer? I believe so, and that he really did not know who was behind much of what he did. Was he an intelligence agent? Yes. Was he a Double Agent? I don’t know but would not rule it out.”

Again, read the book, there’s PLENTY of evidence showing he was indeed ordered to do so by the KGB. Heck, he even spoke fluent Russian.

“KGB defectors stated that they knew Oswald was an intelligence dangle and wanted no part of him.”

If you’re referring to that highest-ranked KGB officer who defected, he was of the domestic branch, and would not be privy to the 13th Department’s missions due to it not being in their jurisdiction.

“The only KGB umbrella killing I am aware of was against a defector in whom a poisonous pill was inserted. Ruby was never seen to be running around with an umbrella in jail or not. I don’t even know if it is possible to induce cancer in such a fashion, it isn’t a virus.”

That “poisonous pill” involved radiation to such an extent that it looked as though he died from cancer. A LOT of people were killed by this manner to such an extent that Ceausceau even specifically requested for radiation scanners in his office to avert that kind of fate. Not to mention the Mafia doesn’t have access to that kind of method for killing, in any case.

“Perhaps Che’s wish being thwarted (Castro, the USSR, who know) might have widen the split between him and Castro. Does Pacepa also reveal that KGB attempted to kill Castro?”

Don’t think so, not in that book at least. And considering the trouble Che potentially caused, if the Soviets were as consistent with what you claim them to be, they would never have even tried to paint him in a heroic light, and if anything would “erase” him, because doing the former would paint THEM in a bad light especially considering the fact that we nearly entered nuclear war that time.

“You mentioned the attempt to kill the Pope but ignore the fact that it was attempted through the Bulgarian secret police. KBB was sure to keep it at arm’s length, almost impossible to prove. And, unlike JFK, that pope was a deadly threat to the existence of the USSR as subsequent events showed. Their evaluation of his danger was accurate. JFK posed no such threat and the retaliation was oblivion not hand-wringing as would have been the case even had the Pope been killed. There would have been no war in the latter case as their would have been with the former.”

First of all, it’s KGB, not KBB. Second of all, Pacepa made it VERY clear that the KGB was involved in that assassination attempt, and considering he also made it clear that the KGB was definitely involved in the JFK assassination, that means they most certainly had little qualms with killing high officials. Not to mention the guys from Italy would not have been a threat to them, nor would the Shah of Iran.

“I would expect that all intelligence agencies maintain an assassination capacity and including our own (and we can see everyday its ability to spread disinformation) so the existence of such a division within the old KGB is not unusual or surprising to me. Like the Mafia the capacity and willingness to kill is critical to secret organizations. Ten attempts since WW2 shows how infrequently it is used as is ours, heck even the Mafia does not take it lightly.”

Infrequent? The USSR was notorious for trying to slaughter its own under Lenin, Stalin, and even Khrushchev and Brezhnev. Not to mention when Stashovski was caught in West Germany, that led to a PR disaster for Khrushchev. I don’t buy the idea that the KGB’s assassinations were “infrequent.” And for the record, the mere fact that they assassinated the leader of Italy and the Shah of Iran, or at least attempted to, and those two, being part of our sphere of influence, makes clear that they had no qualms with assassinating foreign leaders on our side. Otherwise, to use the whole World War I idea that inspired them to use the disinformation campaign to infer “right-wingers” killed JFK and deflect blame from themselves, even assassinating the Shah of Iran would have us entering World War III due to harming an ally (and yes, the Shah of Iran was indeed one of our own allies), like what happened when Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated by Black Hand and resulted in our entering World War I.

“Ruby was an informant to the FBI and used in various operations by the Mafia/CIA partnership. There is no evidence of any work or relation to Leftist organizations.”

Pacepa lays out evidence in the book that suggests that Jack Ruby had in fact been of Cuban Intelligence, and his dying from cancer was suspicious.

“People can say anything and make it appear that there is backing for their statement because it is almost impossible to obtain and analyze documents from the Secret World. I am not just talking about Pacepa but the prior defectors as well. And those “working” for us who become public.

There is one certainty about the killing and that is someone or someones has spread as much disinformation as possible about it and enter a world of which most are totally unaware.

We are in a Labyrinth of Manipulated Mirrors. I discuss the Kryptocracy in “Chaos and Mayhem”.”

What is clear is that the Mitrokhin archives in 1993, not to mention Boris Yeltsin’s book The Struggle for Russia that was released presumably around the same time Programmed to Kill was released, made it explicit that the KGB was definitely involved with the Kennedy assassination. The only one who is not seeing the evidence is you.


334 posted on 05/31/2017 11:50:37 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

Also, Fontova indicated alongside another Cuban exile that Ruby alongside Oswald were members of the Fair Play for Cuba group, and in fact, Ruby was posing as a reporter and corrected someone when saying he was a member of the “Free Cuba Committee” by giving the actual name, BEFORE he killed Oswald.


335 posted on 05/31/2017 12:00:55 PM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

It is the fact that LHO spoke fluent Russian that is an indication that he had intelligence training while in the military and not by the Soviets. His stationing in Japan was precisely to increase the interest of the KGB and expedite their attempts to turn him. Remember his favorite TV show as a kid, “I Led Three Lives”.

Prouty agrees that Oswald may have turned over information about the U2 but claims that was because the Secret Team was determined to blow the planned summit with the USSR. Eisenhower had explicitly forbidden U2 flights over the USSR during the run-up to the summit. But someone thought differently and the hub-bub after the downing caused the summit to be canceled and gave Ike a black eye.

The man in London died within a short time after the poke not two or three years later. If we can believe the autopsy. But do not fool yourself that the Mafia cannot get to people in jail if they want them dead.

Don’t conflate Stalin’s mass murder with KGB selective killings, they are totally different things. Nor am I speaking of people killed there or in the Warsaw Pact. Those are as far from killing the President of the United States as you can get.

WWIII would not have erupted had the Shah been killed.

Che was an icon because he looked cool so young people admired him without knowing much about him. It didn’t take much to bring this about, KGB or otherwise. But that phenomenon was due to the Western culture, the love of the Man of Action and the anti-War movement. A beard, a beret and red star, can’t be beat.

If KGB had a plot to kill JFK, almost no one would know of it. That sort of information is tightly held among VERY few, because of the problem with double-agents and defectors. CIA ran actions JFK had explicitly forbidden and there were those not revealed to the Director, the Attorney General or the President. Not only that but even those involved would not have the whole picture that would explain their actions. And these agencies often play both sides just to see which become dominant.


338 posted on 05/31/2017 12:42:56 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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