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To: arrogantsob

“Walker was not killed in the “assassination attempt” against him. The bullet hit a wall in his living room. He survived long enough to get arrested on a morals charge involving a young man.”

Fine, near-assassination, then. He still did it to prove his worth to his KGB handlers.

“Assassination is not major business with the KGB, it may be used on occasion, as has the CIA, around the fringes but not against the leaders of major states. Like the Turk said in the Godfather “Blood is a big expense.” And some blood is vastly more expensive than other.”

If it’s not a major business with the KGB, please explain why they have an entire division dedicated to it? Something that’s not a major business would not have an entire division dedicated to it.

“Assassination of defectors and turncoats they did on a regular basis. A Trotsky, yes, against JFK, no.”

Actually, they did, and in fact, that book I suggested you read actually gave quite a bit of proof that he was indeed not only in the KGB, but also part of the PGU, the assassination division more specifically. Ceausceau, the dictator of Romania that Pacepa exposed in Red Horizons, even indicated that, including Kennedy, the KGB had been involved in no less than ten assassinations, or assassination attempts, against major foreign leaders (specifically, they were involved in the assassination, or at least attempted assassinations, of Lazlo Rejik and Imre Nagy of Hungary, Lucrietu Patrascanu and Gheorgiu-Dej in Romania, Rudolf Slansky and Jan Masaryk of Czechoslovokai [the president and chief diplomat, respectively], the shah of Iran, Palmiro Togliatti of Italy, and even Mao Zedong of Red China. And that’s not even taking into account Kennedy.). Don’t get me started on the KGB’s later attempt on John Paul II’s life, and Vatican City, being a nation-state, essentially makes him a national leader as Pope. You can read up more on the KGB’s assassinations here: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/219342/kremlins-killing-ways-ion-mihai-pacepa

“Pacepa apparently knows nothing of Jack Ruby. This is the weak link in his contentions.”

Actually, not only does he know quite a bit about Jack Ruby, but he even brings forth evidence that the PGU and Cuban Intelligence had arranged for him to be killed via one of those irradiating umbrellas they had.

“KGB disinformation was ongoing and attempted to turn events in the favor of the USSR. If it could convince the US that JFK was whacked by anti-Castroites or the ultra-right so much the better for them. But they were well aware of the Legend being built up around Oswald, he was toxic.”

Yeah, and they ALSO would have been aware that even ASSOCIATING themselves with, say, Che Guevara, after he actually tried to launch the missiles pre-emptively at America and start World War III during the Cuban Missile Crisis would have been toxic for them. Didn’t stop them from doing an entire disinformation campaign that actually involved making him into a martyr which, by your logic, they would have avoided precisely BECAUSE it would have made them look bad.

“Nuclear missiles in Cuba was a far different thing and, had they not been discovered in time, their installation would have changed the strategic relation between the USSR and the US. Killing Kennedy changed nothing and would not have been expected to.”

You DO realize that Che actually attempted to launch the missiles pre-emptively at the Mainland, right?

“Nagell even claims that he was charged by the KGB with killing Oswald prior to the assassination. They were afraid of being blamed for it.”

For good reason, considering all that evidence in the book from what I could gather definitely makes clear that KGB did indeed train Oswald for such an assignment. If they decided against JFK’s later on, it’s ONLY because of the events of Bohdan Stashynsky getting himself caught in West Germany during an assassination.


332 posted on 05/31/2017 4:02:19 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

You cannot get over the idea that a KGB-trained killer would use that rifle or be as flamboyantly obvious as LHO. Never in a million years. We aren’t talking about The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight but highly skilled professionals

The alleged attempt on Walker apparently involved more than one man so having a KGB handler would not be out of the question, someone else was there as per witnesses. In addition, the fact that he allegedly shot and MISSED a stationary target is further evidence that he would have never been tasked with a much more difficult shot at JFK.
Was he intended to produce a trail of evidence pointing to himself as the killer? I believe so, and that he really did not know who was behind much of what he did. Was he an intelligence agent? Yes. Was he a Double Agent? I don’t know but would not rule it out.

KGB defectors stated that they knew Oswald was an intelligence dangle and wanted no part of him.

Where was he supposedly trained? There is no evidence whatsoever that he practiced with a rifle so his deteriorating marksmanship accelerated.

The only KGB umbrella killing I am aware of was against a defector in whom a poisonous pill was inserted. Ruby was never seen to be running around with an umbrella in jail or not. I don’t even know if it is possible to induce cancer in such a fashion, it isn’t a virus.

Perhaps Che’s wish being thwarted (Castro, the USSR, who know) might have widen the split between him and Castro.
Does Pacepa also reveal that KGB attempted to kill Castro?

You mentioned the attempt to kill the Pope but ignore the fact that it was attempted through the Bulgarian secret police. KBB was sure to keep it at arm’s length, almost impossible to prove. And, unlike JFK, that pope was a deadly threat to the existence of the USSR as subsequent events showed. Their evaluation of his danger was accurate. JFK posed no such threat and the retaliation was oblivion not hand-wringing as would have been the case even had the Pope been killed. There would have been no war in the latter case as their would have been with the former.

I would expect that all intelligence agencies maintain an assassination capacity and including our own (and we can see everyday its ability to spread disinformation) so the existence of such a division within the old KGB is not unusual or surprising to me. Like the Mafia the capacity and willingness to kill is critical to secret organizations. Ten attempts since WW2 shows how infrequently it is used as is ours, heck even the Mafia does not take it lightly.

Ruby was an informant to the FBI and used in various operations by the Mafia/CIA partnership. There is no evidence of any work or relation to Leftist organizations.

People can say anything and make it appear that there is backing for their statement because it is almost impossible to obtain and analyze documents from the Secret World. I am not just talking about Pacepa but the prior defectors as well. And those “working” for us who become public.

There is one certainty about the killing and that is someone or someones has spread as much disinformation as possible about it and enter a world of which most are totally unaware.

We are in a Labyrinth of Manipulated Mirrors. I discuss the Kryptocracy in “Chaos and Mayhem”.


333 posted on 05/31/2017 11:18:11 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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