Posted on 05/01/2017 3:39:29 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
US President Donald Trump has stirred debate by asking why the American Civil War happened, and pondering whether it could have been "worked out".
In a radio interview, he suggested the conflict might have been avoided if President Andrew Jackson had still been in office.
The 1861-65 Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery.
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In the Top Hatted Bloody Goon’s second inaugural mumbling he admitted he refused to negotiate with Southern agents in 1861. It didn’t fit his war lust agenda.
What would you call taking things that do not belong to you?
What would you call it then? And why were obligations magically done away with just by walking out? The debt was run up when the state was a part of the Union. Property was owned by the federal government or, if you want to look at it another way, by the states collectively. What magically transferred ownership, without compensation, to the states that were leaving?
Yes. If the North thought they wanted financial restitution from the South, they could have come to them with it. Instead, it was belligerence and war.
Ah, I see. And we're supposed to believe that the Confederacy was interested in paying after the fact when they weren't interested in paying before leaving?
Tell you what. Turn over your house to me, plus your car and all your furnishings. Sign them over to me and once you do that we'll discuss payment. I'll give you a fair price, I promise. Deal?
They didn't. The North stated plainly they had no intention of a peaceful succession.
Nonsense to both. The South did start the war by firing on Sumter. And prior to that the North had done nothing to indicate any hostile intent. Unless you can point it out to me.
Some communities in the South lost 30% of their men.
What’s at the link is revisionist crap unworthy of serious review. At least now we know where you’re getting it...
There is no republican candidate who would have done much different than Lincoln. Do you really think Chase or Seward would have just let the south walk away? No one in the Republican Party at that time believed that secession due to a party you didn’t like winning the presidency was legal.
So there is, and most amusing too. If I'm reading it correctly, the gist of the article seems to be that the Confederacy really didn't want to fire on Sumter but were actually tricked/fooled/hornswoggled into it by that evil Lincoln. A convenient excuse.
You don’t negotiate with an illegal government that no nation on earth recognizes as legitimate.
The “revised” version of history, written by the victor, is that the war was about slavery.
Secession was about many things, including slavery, however, the war itself was about control. The union fought the confederacy for the same reason that Britain fought the 13 colonies... to prevent them from exercising their freedom to disassociate themselves with a government that they thought no longer represented them appropriately.
Not really. The South seceded to protect their institution of slavery from expected opposition from the newly elected Republican president. I think we can all agree on that. When they later chose war to further that act of secession then how can you separate the reason for the war from the reason for secession?
No, you kill, maim, destroy cities and impoverish millions. /sarc
But only after they start shooting at you.
That’s what happens to you when you start a war with someone.
Saying that the south chose war to further their secession is like saying that the school kid chose war by refusing to give the bully his lunch money.
The slavers were the bullies and aggressors in your analogy.
The North had slave states also, and did not intend to end slavery. What’s your point?
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