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The EMP Threat From North Korea Is Real, and Terrifying
pjmedia.com ^ | 4/25/2017 | John R. Moore

Posted on 04/26/2017 8:02:05 AM PDT by rktman

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To: Travis McGee

“Whether it’s an EMP attack, a kinetic attack, a cyber attack, or a solar ejecta, electricity has evolved into becoming our life support system.

I laugh when folks say it would take months to fix everything back to okie-dokie. In weeks our cities would be in flames and only cannibals would be left.”


Matt, you are (as usual) right again. We’re looking at high levels of normalcy bias, compounded with arrogance and intellectual laziness, in this thread. People won’t believe this because they don’t WANT to believe it is possible. Well, guess what, wishing something away does actually MAKE it go away.

It might take weeks/months to repair the grid (and other damage, and there will be a LOT of that) after an EMP attack, but only if said attack was very limited in scope (i.e. a failure, which only affected a relatively small area). Otherwise, prepare to live in the world of the Walking Dead.


61 posted on 04/26/2017 9:11:30 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: circlecity

You’re not going to make it past 3 days without clean water
So boiling water is really more like plan C or D


62 posted on 04/26/2017 9:12:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: rktman

Sometimes it is the greatest honor to be excluded from certain clubs.


63 posted on 04/26/2017 9:13:08 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: T-Bird45

64 posted on 04/26/2017 9:13:48 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: bigbob

Because it’s not bunk.
Excecpt maybe in the minds of a few uninformed FReepers.


That’s right.


65 posted on 04/26/2017 9:16:59 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives.have diseased minds.)
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To: R_Kangel; Blueflag; Responsibility2nd

“However none of his delivery systems have proven to navigate past a distance of a few hundred miles. I highly doubt that another nation would do N Korea a nice cordial favor and launch an attack upon the US for fear of retaliation. “


The Norks have 2 satellites in orbit. So much for not being able to navigate past a few hundred miles.

Never underestimate your enemies - this is a cardinal rule of statecraft and warfare, ignored at the peril of the ignorant or arrogant.


66 posted on 04/26/2017 9:17:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: circlecity
Water poured through crushed charcoal contained within cotton fabric after boiling/cooling will filter contaminants.
67 posted on 04/26/2017 9:18:35 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: rktman

For later.


68 posted on 04/26/2017 9:19:09 AM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Matt, you are (as usual) right again. We’re looking at high levels of normalcy bias, compounded with arrogance and intellectual laziness, in this thread. People won’t believe this because they don’t WANT to believe it is possible. Well, guess what, wishing something away does actually MAKE it go away.

It might take weeks/months to repair the grid (and other damage, and there will be a LOT of that) after an EMP attack, but only if said attack was very limited in scope (i.e. a failure, which only affected a relatively small area). Otherwise, prepare to live in the world of the Walking Dead.


Exactly right.

And I see that none of the skeptics responded to you.

Normalcy bias is very dangerous.


69 posted on 04/26/2017 9:19:47 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives.have diseased minds.)
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To: Blueflag

The thing that concerns me is the Northeast Power blackout of 2003.

For those who don’t think there could be far reaching consequences from an EMP, all we have to do is see what should have been a manageable local blackout turned into cause it cascade through the system.

My son has a friend who is aware of the issues of overloading the grid and warns that things like the Earth hour, where everyone turns off their lights for an hour and then they would naturally turn them back on all about the same time, could theoretically overload the system causing stations to trip and then the other stations would also trip from their increased load, and so it goes.

If that Northeast Power black out happened from just that, then I would consider it feasible that an EMP could take down a chunk of the grid and cause the same problem.

One Second After is a good book as well as One Year after.

They are both very plausible, IMO.


70 posted on 04/26/2017 9:20:34 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Ancesthntr
a) The closest we have to a 'real world' EMP test was the Starfish Prime test in 1962, which used a thermonuclear warhead with a yield of 1.4 megatons.

b) The largest fission-only bomb known to have been constructed yielded 500 kilotons: this was probably close to the maximum deliverable size for such a weapon;

It's not clear to me then whether a fission weapon, even with greater efficiency at creating EMP effects, can generate an EMP effect as large as a fusion weapon; or one sufficiently large to cause nationwide EMP.

71 posted on 04/26/2017 9:21:03 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: donozark

“So then we do nothing and let him hit us again?”


Certainly not. I was just pointing out that the principles of MAD “Mutual Assured Destruction” may not be operative in Fat Boy’s mind, that’s all.

I would, absolutely, make sure that all North Korean cities and military facilities would be part of the atmosphere, replaced on the ground with glowing, radioactive slag pits...while still retaining 90% of our nuclear stockpile. No use taking chances on a 2nd wave, nor missing the chance to warn everyone else to stay the F away from us if they have any hostile intentions of their own.


72 posted on 04/26/2017 9:23:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

Yield on Starfish Prime was I think 1.4MT detonated at 400 miles.
The warhead itself was probably a two stage thermonuclear weighing around 10klbs.

Way beyond NK technology.


73 posted on 04/26/2017 9:27:04 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: circlecity

“Plan B is to just boil the water. If I’ve made it 6 mo. to a year then I’ve obviously got fire.”


You might wish to reconsider your Plan B, or to make it Plan C, D or E. Why? Because other people also have a Plan B - and for many that plan is to follow the smell of smoke to a source of supply for various and sundry needed goods.

Necessity strips away morality and civility - when people are willing to trample each other to get $50 off of a big-screen TV on Black Friday, what do you think that they’ll do when their kids are starving to death and there are no cops?

Invest a bit of money in a new Plan B - the peace of mind will be worth it, even if you never need to use it.


74 posted on 04/26/2017 9:27:53 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: pierrem15

Yep.
What isn’t commonly known is the 500k atomic device was so dangerous that no one would ever use it in a real weapon.
It contained (I think) 4-10x critical mass of U235.

Just dropping it could have triggered a nuclear detonation.


75 posted on 04/26/2017 9:31:20 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: SgtHooper
U mean-----🐂💩? Thanks sarge.
76 posted on 04/26/2017 9:34:52 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Ancesthntr
Lol! 🎉🎸🎆
77 posted on 04/26/2017 9:36:04 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Bigg Red

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/survival-kitchen/bleach-water-ratio-for-drinking-water/

(I recommend boiling AND bleach if that’s what you have)

Also, dry bleach is sold for well treatments.

Regards,
HLB


78 posted on 04/26/2017 9:38:34 AM PDT by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: fulltlt; Travis McGee

I’ve read all of the 3-book series. The first book is most directly about the EMP effects. The second and third book delve more into the potential politics of recovery. Interesting POV but less about EMP and recovery from that specific attack. I highly recommend the reading as I do all of the “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” series by Matthew Bracken (FReeper Travis McGee). Stimulates all kinds of “what-if” thinking, a good thing, IMO.


79 posted on 04/26/2017 9:40:10 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: pierrem15

The EMP from Starfish Prime was not expected. So we have a 1.4 megaton nuke, the percentage of which yield was from fission I don’t know, and which WASN’T “tuned” to put more of its energy into gamma rays than explosive force and heat.

I wouldn’t be lulled into a false sense of security by those facts.


80 posted on 04/26/2017 9:40:39 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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