It was simply that Puritan "witch hunter" fanaticism pointed in a different direction.
Posted on 04/24/2017 5:49:29 AM PDT by rktman
I never knew that wisdom and delusion were synonymous.
If I implied the Southern states were "bad" it was intended only as a relative perspective from the people who were condemning them.
I don't believe they were bad people, instead I believe they were merely people who had grown up in an environment where they weren't taught that forcing others to work for you is wrong.
Some of them (Washington, Jefferson, Robert E. Lee, etc) were realizing it, and working to change things.
Some of those New England purveyors of intolerance against the Southerners were called out by Edgar Allan Poe in some of his literary criticisms. He caught some of the best known Northern writers with gross misstatements of the actual facts involved--clear examples of a vicious fanaticism.
They aren’t. Whether the New England South haters were delusion driven, or simply affected with an intolerant hatred of others’ culture, they pursued a really vicious smear campaign. There was no wisdom involved.
The outrage manufacturing industry in the North East is still going today. Nowadays it is "transgender this" and "Islamaphobia that."
Whatever it is, it is still going to boil down to smug, morally superior intellectuals lecturing the rest of us on how our morality is behind the times, and we need to change what we believe to conform to what they think we need to believe.
The “New England South haters” were pikers compared to the slavocracy when it came to fomenting hatred of and violence against one’s fellow countrymen. Some things never change...
It was simply that Puritan "witch hunter" fanaticism pointed in a different direction.
Nonsense. The so called Southern “Fire Eaters,” were basically reacting to decades of verbal abuse. The generation of leaders who pledged to one another their “lives, their fortunes & their sacred honor,” were betrayed by their grand-children in New England, before the Southern grandchildren reacted in kind. It was so vicious, there were actually New England “intellectuals,” who tried to justify the sociopath John Brown, in 1859. (I know that he was not the only thug in “Bloody Kansa.” But you would have to go some, to find a more hate driven individual.
Nonsense yourself. Now I see why you complement delusion as wisdom.
Eric Hoffer (sp?) wrote a book on the subject of the personality traits of the "True Believer," which I believe captures the mental traits involved.
Men & women complement each other, that the species goes on. Delusion & wisdom are not complementary.
I would without a seconds hesitation. Slavery is the second worst thing you can do to a person or people, murder and genocide being the worst. It does not matter what the state of race relations are now.
The southern rebellion was the anti-American revolution. The American revolution was founded on the belief that all men are created equal (and yes I know we didn’t live up to it) where the confederacy was founded, it’s cornerstone rested, on the belief that some men were superior to other men and should rule over them.
And in fact the first few states that seceded sent representative to other states that had not yet seceded to try and convince them to secede. If that's not treason I don't know what is.
I have read that the Puritan mindset never left; that it acquired a new god called "Government", and that it ruthlessly punishes heresy against it's new god, and that it's new god grants their desire to punish others for their wickedness.
I've read several articles arguing that this is the motivation behind much of Liberal thought nowadays.
Eric Hoffer (sp?) wrote a book on the subject of the personality traits of the "True Believer," which I believe captures the mental traits involved.
I haven't read it, but "true believer" is an apt description. There is no room in their hearts for any doubt that they are morally superior to we cave dwellers in "flyover land" and that it is their duty to punish us for our thought crimes.
If we do not embrace their latest epiphany of moral "change", we are untermenschen who deserve to be wiped out.
No, you have it backwards. If a state can't leave then it is an empire! You have it exactly reversed!
I understand that principle, but the fact remains that by 1860, the South, with its institutionalization of Slavery, was on the wrong side of History and Progress. It's that simple...
To the contrary. Opposing independence was the anti-American revolution. The nation was founded on the principle that people had a right to independence if they wanted it. Lincoln supported this idea in 1847 when it was about Texas gaining independence from Mexico, but he Opposed it when it was about other people gaining independence from his economic control.
The American revolution was founded on the belief that all men are created equal...
Insofar as it referred to white men of 1776. It obviously did not apply to Jefferson's slaves, or Washington's slaves, or any other slaves held in captivity by all 13 colonies at the time. It is a deliberate alteration of the meaning to claim otherwise.
(and yes I know we didn’t live up to it)
Well not for "four score and Seven years." (plus an additional 8 months of slavery for the Union.)
it’s cornerstone rested, on the belief that some men were superior to other men and should rule over them.
You mean the same thing Washington and Jefferson believed. The same as the 13 slave owning colonies who broke away from the United Kingdom believed.
So did the slave owning colonies have a right to independence of the British Union, or not?
They certainly believed they did on July 4, 1776.
They can quit for whatever reason they like. It is a fundamental right, granted by God, and articulated in the Declaration of Independence. When the US Broke away from England, it articulated this concept as it's founding principle.
And in fact the first few states that seceded sent representative to other states that had not yet seceded to try and convince them to secede. If that's not treason I don't know what is.
It's called "freedom." When our founders contemplated leaving England, they sent for representatives from the various colonies to meet and discuss seceding from England. Their representatives then voted for Independence.
It was treason to the Crown, because it was explicitly contrary to British law which required "Perpetual Allegiance" to the King.
After we changed the law to promote this concept called "self determination", it was thereafter recognized as a right. Even Massachusetts threatened to secede back in 1830. All the people of that time period regarded it as their right to do so.
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