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That United flight wasn’t even “overbooked” — and that matters legally
Hotair ^ | 04/14/2017 | Cynthia Than

Posted on 04/14/2017 10:48:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There were actually four United employees who did exactly that... after the plane was fully boarded.

They should have called an Uber... would have turned out cheaper.


61 posted on 04/14/2017 11:29:46 AM PDT by rwilson99 (How exactly would John 3:16 not apply to Mary?)
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To: neverbluffer; Pollster1
Has nothing to do with private property. It is contractual law.

When you don't read the fine print you look stupid when issues come up.

62 posted on 04/14/2017 11:30:10 AM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: MeganC

I’ve been wondering that but haven’t seen it in print. Do you happen to have any links to articles that show this?


63 posted on 04/14/2017 11:30:22 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: SecAmndmt

Exactly. Wonder if the fine print on the back of the ticket mentions the penalties if a CUSTOMER cancels at the last minute?

Does the customer get a full and prompt refund?


64 posted on 04/14/2017 11:30:46 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: LouieFisk

Bol! Incredible.

United: We treat you like a king...Rodney King.


65 posted on 04/14/2017 11:30:58 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: itsahoot
He was refusing to obey lawful directions from law enforcement officers

Like the New York Times, you need a copy editor. Fixed:

'He was refusing to obey lawful directions from law enforcement officers'

66 posted on 04/14/2017 11:31:00 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: itsahoot

If a black gangster refuses to get out of his car when the cops order it, everyone here will yell, doesn’t he know he wouldn’t get his ass kicked if he just cooperated with the cops. But when the security or cops tries to get a guy to leave plane, many here say, you cans’t forcibly remove him. He should have cooperated with the authorioties what happened when he refused was his fault.


67 posted on 04/14/2017 11:31:30 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Mr. K

Still can’t get it off caps lock?

You really need to read your comments to yourself - your first and third line regarding people of less than high intelligence and about playing lawyer - which I can safely assume you are not (while you go on in the next line to incorrectly assert a legal right of the airline).

FYI - the legal right to remove an individual from an aircraft is strictly limited by United’s Contract of Carriage Rule 21 which lists specific reasons - none of which were involved here.


68 posted on 04/14/2017 11:33:09 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: SeekAndFind
Any thoughtful person can see the problem that arises if an airline were allowed to legally remove one fare-paying passenger to allow for another passenger it prefers.

That is akin to "Kelo in the air."

In the Kelo v. City of New London decision, the Supreme Court concurred that it is a "public good" for a city to condemn private property for other private use if that alternative use generates more tax revenue for the city.

If an airline can eject a seated customer for another customer who paid more for the seat, then we have chaos in air travel since nobody can be sure that there will be a seat at the other end of their ticket.

-PJ

69 posted on 04/14/2017 11:34:46 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: MeganC

The Dr. Dao on the flight is not the same Dr. Dao who’s the pervert. I imagine that’s going to be a different lawsuit.

...

Can you please help me out and show me the source of the conclusive information, because I’ve seen it both ways?


70 posted on 04/14/2017 11:35:45 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: morphing libertarian

“If a black gangster refuses to get out of his car when the cops order it”
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About your “black gangster” - he has a civil contractual agreement with the police? How much money exchanged hands?


71 posted on 04/14/2017 11:37:24 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: old gringo

I’d make it out of “Twinkies”...


72 posted on 04/14/2017 11:39:25 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: morphing libertarian
He should have cooperated with the authorioties what happened when he refused was his fault.

No money in that law suit.

Chris Rock - How not to get your @ss kicked by the police!

73 posted on 04/14/2017 11:39:38 AM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: samtheman
Winning at trial is one thing. Having the ruling upheld on appeal is another. Airline wins appeal on passenger removal - Jan 11, 2008

I recognize the fact pattern is completely different, and am not citing the article for the proposition that Dao was removed as a sfety risk.

My argument is only that United is going to lose more in the realm of public opinion, than it stands to lose in court or an out-of-court settlement.

74 posted on 04/14/2017 11:39:38 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: old gringo
and what if someone asked for a gay cake?

Either party to a contract should be able to back out at any time. My contracts always had a penalty clause that allowed me to withdraw and either specified there was a penalty for nonperformance or specified that there was no penalty for nonperformance. That option to withdraw or to refuse to enter into a contract includes baking a cake celebrating a parody of the sacrament of marriage.

75 posted on 04/14/2017 11:39:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Moonman62

“Can you please help me out and show me the source of the conclusive information, because I’ve seen it both ways?”
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“No, the media did not identify the wrong David Dao as United’s passenger”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-united-david-dao-20170412-story.html


76 posted on 04/14/2017 11:39:54 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: Mr. K

Could you show us “stupid people” that right in writing. The lawyers seem unable to find it.


77 posted on 04/14/2017 11:40:50 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: itsahoot

We see a very small part of the video, where a drama queen is performing at his best. I have not seen the rest of the fiasco, but I suspect it does not support the selected narrative.


78 posted on 04/14/2017 11:41:24 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Dick Vomer

No, once he was boarded he didn’t need to agree no matter what they offered. If it was preboarding you would be right.


79 posted on 04/14/2017 11:42:15 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Cboldt

“My argument is only that United is going to lose more in the realm of public opinion, than it stands to lose in court or an out-of-court settlement.”
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True. Paying out 5 or 10 mill isn’t a big deal. It’s the brand UA is worried about.


80 posted on 04/14/2017 11:42:17 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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