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To: Pelham

“And the seceding States believed that they had been subjected to abuses ...”

And the other States did not believe the seceding States had been subject to abuses justifying dissolution of the compact other than by consent.

“...just raw force.”

Nothing special there. Even with adjudication of competing claims an element of raw force is involved.

“I still am waiting to see what moral right there was for the British colonials seceding from their mother government.”

Actually, they rebelled against their government. If they seceded from anything it was from the British Empire.

And they used the Declaration of Independence to convey the moral right for their rebellion. What parts of the Declaration do you find immoral?


230 posted on 04/16/2017 9:08:06 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

“Actually, they rebelled against their government. If they seceded from anything it was from the British Empire.”

I agree. That’s what I’ve been saying that they did.

“And they used the Declaration of Independence to convey the moral right for their rebellion. What parts of the Declaration do you find immoral?”

I never said it I found any part of it immoral, so you’ll need to ask someone who makes that claim to get that answer. But likewise the Declaration is not some sort of philosophical moral treatise as some would have it.

What it is is a list of grievances as to why the Colonials are rebelling against the government that they belong to, and an attempt to rationalize why their secession from that government is a good thing and not treason as King George declared it was.

It’s a polemic against the London government, and an attempt to rally the mass of colonials to support breaking away and forming their own independent country. It’s often claimed that about a third of the colonials wanted to break away, a third remained loyal Tories and the other third didn’t want to be bothered to make a decision.

There had been at least ten years of increasing friction between London and the American colonials that came to a head with open fighting in 1775. The Declaration a year later was an announcement by the Continental Congress to the mass of the American people that the differences weren’t going to be resolved in any fashion other than permanent separation, which of course meant war. It was an appeal to the people for support, and it was also an appeal to the Dutch and to France for aid.

The Declaration is Jefferson’s flowery elaboration of the Richard Henry Lee- Edmund Pendleton Resolution of Independence offered to the Continental Congress a month earlier.


232 posted on 04/16/2017 10:39:53 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: KrisKrinkle

“And they used the Declaration of Independence to convey the moral right for their rebellion. What parts of the Declaration do you find immoral?”

Arguably, referencing slavery as a justification for the Declaration of Independence was immoral.


250 posted on 04/17/2017 8:43:55 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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