[Buckeye McFrog]

But then that would imply they are capable of rationality and logical thinking, which has not been much in evidence of late.

Bingo, that's the gist of it. They aren't your grandfather's Democrat Party from the 1950's. They are hard-core Alinsky radicals. They aren't interested in compromise.

[gibsonguy]

When Ryancare failed he had 2 choices work the conservatives or work with the Rats. I guess we know which way it went. Ivanka and Jared need to get the hell out of the White House.