Posted on 04/08/2017 2:11:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Take a look at the VA and you will see how it will be implemented. Such a program will consume billions and people will die waiting for health care. How do I know? Look at the VA. For that matter, look at every nation that has tried socialized medicine.
For it to have the smallest chance of working it has to be done at the state level.
No, waitressing is probably not a good idea. Telemarketing or some such?
Karl is right. But the only outcome will be the other thing he is right about. Healthcare costs will collapde the U.S. economy in 5-10 years. There is simply no political will to enforce those laws that are being broken.
My “complaint” about the self inflicted PECs was really just to note in passing that the price we pay to provide for the truly innocent has an unfortunate tax we are also obligated to pay.
But I'm willing to pay it and I'm no fan of Universal Taxpayer Supported Healthcare. I am dead set against it and believe that government needs to just get out of the way for the rest of us.
But when she’s good, she’s very very good. But when she’s not she’s awful...
“that pool is missing a couple zeros at the end of it....”
No doubt about it. They’d blow through a measley $15 billion in no time. There’s nothing as expensive as something that is “free.”
Paid for by the “risk pool.” “Risk pool”, of course, being a euphemism for “tax payers.”
“that pool is missing a couple zeros at the end of it....”
No doubt about it. They’d blow through a measley $15 billion in no time. There’s nothing as expensive as something that is “free.”
Paid for by the “risk pool.” “Risk pool”, of course, being a euphemism for “tax payers.”
Anti Bannon texts to the media
This is not surprising at all. The enemy opposition Democrats/Soros will find Trump's weakest spot and that is leftist Ivanka and her leftist husband.
No surprises, actually quite expected since the other Trump family are much more conservative, Eric & Trump Jr.
But Trump's weakness will be pursued vigorously while Ivanka/Jared will carry on in oblivion.
Such a pool would allow risk sharing and enable more small scale insurers and health care organizations to enter the market, thereby increasing competition and reducing prices. Since the pool would have to re-set its reinsurance rates based on claims the insurance companies using the pool would still have a reason to manage costs and claims.
Finally, the taxpayers could subsidize the pool, since at some point we're going to end up paying anyway as very sick people exhaust their financial resources.
“Been reading this kind of nonsense last 2 days.”
Those who point this out are patriots, and do not
approve of Gorelick and Soros like you, apparently.
I'm afraid this would balloon into driving insurance companies out of business and then, ta da, the feds would take over everything.
“Been reading this kind of nonsense last 2 days.”
Those who point this out are patriots, and do not
approve of Gorelick and Soros like you, apparently.
Let rich liberals fund a high-risk pool without the involvement of the Federal Government.
Heck, they probably spent that much trying to get Mrs. Bill Clinton elected.
“Those who point this out are patriots, and do not approve of Gorelick and Soros like you, apparently.”
You guys failed with this kind of garbage pack in the primaries & even the general election. Nobody is buying this crap you folks keep pushing and you whine like the girls on CNN named Tapper & Cumo.
I’m enjoying your march into irrelevance.
True, and since that (single payer) is the only real solution to universal access to healthcare via insurance (probably the worst vehicle for it since they don't want to really offer real insurance), that is probably what we are going to get. But truly the insurance companies would ultimately be reaping what they had sewn IMO, which is what created this monster in the first place.
We all backed Pres. (then Mr.) Trump,
and still do - unlike the crafty backstabbers
who are leading him down the path of
Soros and globalists and statists, like yourself.
“I don’t see how this will help smaller groups who have pre-existing conditions. This will balloon into a group offering which will compete with the insurance companies. Otherwise, without the mandates, certain groups will be shunned. Maybe they can just let such groups shop individually with some kind of employer subsidy or something like that.”
There are lots of things you and I don’t or cannot see, because nobody can predict the future. However, without getting into the standard full discussion of the full discussion; the bullet points are:
It ain’t insurance if it covers super-high-cost pre-existing. That is just the definition of the word. I am with Betsy McCaughey on this. People who have mid to high six figures of HC needs should just get it for free. In the end, it will be cheaper than running it through a government agency or an insurance company. The estimates I have heard of the number of people who need this are under 1 million, which I sort of find hard to believe, but that’s what I have heard from multiple sources that know more than I do and whose views I respect on other related topics. What needs to be done is to remove the influence of the 1% from the cost profile of the 99%. In this case, it is the 1/3rd of 1%.
I *WANT* whatever happens to compete with the insurance companies. I believe that insurance company overheads drive up the cost of HC by at least 300%.
But the topmost consideration, for me, is that the mandates MUST disappear. We are probably stuck with some sort of centralized HC, that ship has apparently sailed. I dislike all the variations that have been proffered to date. But foremost among my objections to any plan is the presence of mandates. That is the biggest impingement on freedom I find with anything I have heard so far. The mandates ratify the governments granting of the franchise on 1/6th of the economy to the insurance companies. Their response has been to triple or quadruple HC costs.
“Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t this be another welfare program that will grow exponentially over time?
Also, what prevents everyone from getting in this pool that taxpayers pay for? What are the qualifications to join?”
Yes, spiritually, it would be another welfare program, but I don’t see it growing exponentially over time. Linearly, perhaps, or, constant. The idea is that it would *reduce* overall HC costs >>for the insuring entity<< by removing the very highest-cost patients from the pool, and thus the insurers could reduce costs to patients. Whether that would actually happen is another story.
Well, what are the motivations for otherwise normal people to try to convince anyone they have 6-figure healthcare costs?
What are the entry qualifications? Annual exams, for one, at a level that would look to boot people out of the program rather than to get more and more people in, as current programs do.
“We all backed Pres. (then Mr.) Trump, and still do - unlike the crafty backstabbers who are leading him down the path of Soros and globalists and statists, like yourself.”
Enjoy your delusion. No one is leading President Trump down any path. He makes his own decisions regardless what you wish to believe. He will continue to lead this nation with brilliance, dignity & honor.
Now please. Take your meds & have a good peaceful night.
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