[ealgeone]

For sure...when Mary comes up Luther goes back on the good list.

It does seem to depend on the discussion with our Catholic friends as to the status of Luther.

That Luther must have hit a sore spot is evidenced by the Counter-Reformation. Hence, there was, and still is, much wrong with the RCC.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yes, yes! That's an axiom of Catholic philosophy:

Ecclesia semper reformanda.

For you too, I'm thinking.

[RegulatorCountry]

I’ve witnessed a particularly vehement apologist deny that there was ever such a thing as the Counter-Reformation, that Protestants had nothing to do with it.