Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bearing Witness As Cities Die
Townhall.com ^ | March 30, 2017 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 03/30/2017 6:23:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-75 last
To: covertInLA

I noticed similar things when I was living in the Detroit area.

I got sent down South on business for a few months. Was struck by the fact that in the former home of the Confederacy, Slavery and Jim Crow, black people were far more willing to smile and strike up a conversation with me.

When I got back to Michigan we were checking each other out for weapons again.


61 posted on 03/30/2017 2:16:16 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: laplata

Yes, and has been for a half-century.


62 posted on 03/30/2017 4:01:02 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child

Paraphrasing a WSJ article I read a few years ago:’

“In 1950, one-third of all the manufacturing capacity on the face of the earth was in the states that were on the Great Lakes - Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc.

Thirty years later they were calling it the Rust Belt.”


63 posted on 03/30/2017 4:04:30 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
It comes down to the Curley Effect. Destroying cities gets Democrats elected, by driving away Republicans and moderates.

In a famous 2002 article in the Journal of Law, Economics, & Organization, Harvard scholars Edward Glaeser and Andrei Shleifer named the so-called “Curley Effect” after its prototype, James Michael Curley, who served four (non-consecutive) terms as mayor of Boston between 1914 and 1950. This phenomenon, the authors explain, is the strategy of “increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies.” Forbes magazine puts it this way: “A politician or a political party can achieve long-term dominance by tipping the balance of votes in their direction through the implementation of policies that strangle and stifle economic growth. Counterintuitively, making a city poorer leads to political success for the engineers of that impoverishment.”


64 posted on 03/30/2017 4:26:35 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DuncanWaring

I spent two weeks with my oldest brother and his wife in St Louis in 1964 or 1965. It was very nice and we had a lot of fun ‘seeing the sights”.


65 posted on 03/30/2017 5:01:19 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: ferret_airlift

The way to do it is “pays more in taxes than receives in benefits and has done so for at least five years”


66 posted on 03/30/2017 5:44:32 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: laplata

I presume you’re referring to St. Louis, MO, not East St. Louis, IL.


67 posted on 03/30/2017 5:44:34 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: DuncanWaring

I said St. Louis so no presumption is necessary.


68 posted on 03/30/2017 6:06:23 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Nothing will change until they’re forced to file for bankruptcy.


69 posted on 03/30/2017 6:14:18 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chickensoup
I beg to differ, Cleveland does not belong on the killed list. Unless you believe in civic resurrection. Cleveland is reduced to half its high water mark in the fifties, but while poor neighborhoods remain, abandoned houses are being torn down and low cost apartment housing re-developed by the private sector.

The city as a whole is rising. Areas formerly deserted and unsafe are now renovated, re populated, and enjoyed by families with small children playing. University Circle is thriving as a unique landmark to the generosity of private citizens from the glory days of a century ago to the present day.

The downtown, deserted as late as the 80's and 90's is bursting with redevelopment and waiting lists for upscale apartments being produced as fast as the construction industry can make them.

The cost of living remains among the lowest of cities of similar or greater size.

70 posted on 03/30/2017 8:24:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: DuncanWaring

Yes, and has been for a half-century.


LBJ’s Great Society did wonders./s


71 posted on 03/30/2017 8:28:32 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child
You are right about the importance of the Great Lakes. Cleveland was a world steel center, and after Detroit the world's #2 auto mfg center for years. The huge lakers (think Edmund Fitzgerald) full of ore, coal and lime could pull right up and dock next to the steel mills in the Flats, and the railheads to the auto plants of the Big Three.

I recently talked with an elderly gentleman who worked in Cleveland for a steel company after WWII. That one corporation alone ran a fleet of over 60 freighters on the Great Lakes, and that was only a subsidiary of the main business.

72 posted on 03/30/2017 8:35:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Buckeye McFrog

Friends (actually the wife was a friend & her husband a foaming at the mouth liberal idiot) visited with me a time or two here in the South from their home on Staten Island.

She made the observation that back home, the different ethnicities had their own employment niche, meaning the same sort of job like waiter or behind-counter retail, and not a whole lot of variance between job strata.

Down here, you’re going to run into a mix of races on staff no matter where you go. Tho we do have, for instance, Middle Easterners running the local tobacco shop & Central/South Americans at field work & creeping into construction. I especially hate that because construction used to be a way for an un-degreed but hard working American to earn a decent living.


73 posted on 03/31/2017 12:31:46 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: rmlew

The cliche I often hear is that the Democrat party is for the poor, and the Republican party is for the rich.

My answer to that has always been that if this is true, and if it also true that the party with the most votes wins an election, then the Democrat party has a vested interest in creating more poor people, where as the Republican party has a vested interest in creating more rich people.

I had never heard of the Curley Effect, but it seems to mirror my line of reasoning. It’s nice to have a reference to fall back on.


74 posted on 04/03/2017 12:05:05 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: PLMerite; CIB-173RDABN

I would modify this to allowing the vote to those who put into the system, more than what they take out of the system.

IE, net producers can vote, net consumers cannot.


75 posted on 04/03/2017 12:08:02 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-75 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson