I’m sorry, but the government forcing people to buy a service they don’t want is a much clearer form of socialism than people choosing of their own free will to buy a service but having to pay more for it because of bad government policies. I can only assume that your worry over your own premiums going up has blinded you from seeing how anti-conservative this stance of yours is. The government doesn’t have a right to put anyone in theoretical chains to keep your costs lower until a better replacement maybe, possibly, eventually comes down the pike. The “I don’t feel fully free, so you must be an even bigger slave” argument just isn’t a good pro-liberty stance.
I never thought I’d see such an impassioned defense of the government enforced mandate (yes, even if you hope it’s only temporary) on a conservative site, while you insult anyone who doesn’t want to be forced by big government to buy insurance as “freeloaders.” Getting rid of the mandate with insurance rates subsequently going up is probably the best way (and perhaps the only way) at this point to get enough people from all sides of the aisle demanding that it be gotten rid for us not to have to endure years more of barely tottering along Obamacare. Having no mandate ensures that Obamacare will collapse much sooner. I personally celebrate the removal of what is by far the most clearly unconstitutional part of Obamacare, even though you appeared to be seething with rage that it may be gone, a stance I’ve never heard from a conservative before.
You must have imagined that I suggested that you couldn’t complain about Ryan’s bill, since I never even mentioned Ryan’s bill anywhere in my comment. I only criticized the stance you took so angrily defending the continuance of huge government control over regular people’s lives. And by the way, your initial rant against what Trump is doing, where you attacked anyone opting out from IRS-enforced socialism, was the biggest example of “silly drama” I saw on this thread, which is what prompted my conservative critique of your stance.
You seem to be shooting from the hip just to make argument.
“Having no mandate ensures that Obamacare will collapse much sooner.” Really? Why? Because some people will get stuck even worse so they will complain? Sounds like you are advocating the same thing you accuse me of, “I don’t feel fully free, so you must be an even bigger slave” — that is already the law, now you argue to flip it and enslave someone else instead of fixing the problem and repealing ObamaCare. Dick Morris is arguing nothing needs done. I oppose his silly argument.
I think you would rather have the problem fixed, but you are just arguing about little rhetorical issues in trying to negate the damage done by people like Dick Morris here.
It is two sides of a stool, pull any leg and it falls. One leg is already pulled! Why pass a law to pull the other side when it will still be a broken chair?
It is a no win situation unless we actually repeal and go free market, because the status quo sucks, and RinoCare would suck just as badly.
Why not WAIT a month or two or however long for a REAL REPEAL instead of confusing most of America by passing junk only to have us hate it and try to repeal that also in a month or a year or two?
I attacked Ryan’s tiny pittance of a repeal via eliminating the mandate, as an example of a problem, because it was practically their biggest BAIT for a selling point, and a lot of people bit. It’s bait and switch. No one should bite that junk. Dick Morris wants us to bite, though, ObamaCare is repealed because some people will not have to buy insurance! Wrong, the list of other injustices in OCare goes on and on. Give us back a free market.
I attacked it because Dick Morris is making it out to be the main thing that represents the repeal of ObamaCare, and it is not, and I do not want people complacently thinking that, because I want a better bill, way better.
Do you realize that you come off as defending RinoCare (?), a sick rehash of ObamaCare because you favor a pittance in principal which even if it had passed would be, as you now recognize, temporary, because we are not going to be satisfied with RinoCare; and you appear to defend RinoCare despite it being a grossly unconstitutional bill otherwise, way way worse in principal than any little advantage in principal maybe gained from revoking the mandate and sticking us with the rest of the garbage.
You seem to advocate that no one may NOT pass RinoCare because its dropping of the insurance mandate trumps all the badness — even conservatives MUST to vote for poison because of your pet wish, or else we are bad.
I do not believe that — I think that you just want to argue today for no good reason when we are on the same side. I hope I am right about that, because if not, then you actually LIKE RinoCare, an intrusive Fed scheme that is essentially ObamaCare, and you would not even be recognizing that! I cannot imagine you think that way.
No one is doing or advocating or choosing ANYTHING (though you are trying to paint me with it) by NOT passing what you seem to be arguing for as a pet project, RINOCARE. We are just NOT picking a POISON version of ObamaCare that might temporarily please a few people. We do not like either “plan.”
Are you hoping RinoCare passed, knowing that entire industries could start to gear up for it only to have us re-repeal it and pass a better bill next month? No!
I would not believe that about you, unless you actually LIKE RinoCare, and I am not going to paint you with that either.
We are on the same side and you are not picking the right battles. I think you should fight a better fight.
Repeal ObamaCare soon, don’t patch it a little to placate just enough people that we end up limping into full nationalized health care.
Good Bye.