Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 12 March 2017

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[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Mar 12th, 2017

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio; Gary Cohn, White House economic adviser.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price; Gov. John Kasich, R-Ohio.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis.; Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

THIS WEEK (ABC): White House budget director Mick Mulvaney; Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark.; Reps. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and Elijah Cummings, D-Md.

STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Mulvaney; Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Cory Booker, D-N.J.; Reps. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., and Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill. (Note: FINALLY someone from the Trump Admin appears. CNN=Still Fake news!)

[rodguy911]

That’s only a small part of it. Read the rest that was found through exhaustive searching.

[Unrepentant VN Vet]

And while we can consider the divide between the “R” and the “D”, best not to ignore the chasm between the Establishment (and that includes levels of government down to small towns, JMHO) and the rest of us.

.....not to mention the Media, which seems to want to play Kingmaker/Force Behind the Throne whilst pretending to inform.

I seriously think that “Drain the Swamp” is going to be more of a Clean the Augean Stables exercise. If not an armed conflict.

[pugmama]

I think this is a fake news thing that has been going around FB and Twitter.

[rodguy911]

Just too good!
I had to look up what the Augean stables were,LOL!! It’s a cool story and resembles Trump when you sort of think about it!Your post may be the post of the day!!!
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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/stables.html

For the fifth labor, Eurystheus ordered Hercules to clean up King Augeas’ stables. Hercules knew this job would mean getting dirty and smelly, but sometimes even a hero has to do these things. Then Eurystheus made Hercules’ task even harder: he had to clean up after the cattle of Augeas in a single day.

Now King Augeas owned more cattle than anyone in Greece. Some say that he was a son of one of the great gods, and others that he was a son of a mortal; whosever son he was, Augeas was very rich, and he had many herds of cows, bulls, goats, sheep and horses.

An aerial view of Olympia in Elis, where Augeas ruled his kingdom.
Photograph by Raymond V. Schoder, S.J., courtesy of Bolchazy-Carducci Publishers
Every night the cowherds, goatherds and shepherds drove the thousands of animals to the stables.

Boston 13.195, Attic red figure lekythos, c. 530-500 B.C.
People leading cows.
From Caskey & Beazley, plate IV. With permission of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.
Hercules went to King Augeas, and without telling anything about Eurystheus, said that he would clean out the stables in one day, if Augeas would give him a tenth of his fine cattle.

Munich 2412, Attic red figure stamnos, c. 440-430 B.C.
A bull drinking water from a basin.
From Furtwängler & Reichhold, pl. 19
Augeas couldn’t believe his ears, but promised. Hercules brought Augeas’s son along to watch. First the hero tore a big opening in the wall of the cattle-yard where the stables were. Then he made another opening in the wall on the opposite side of the yard.

Next, he dug wide trenches to two rivers which flowed nearby. He turned the course of the rivers into the yard. The rivers rushed through the stables, flushing them out, and all the mess flowed out the hole in the wall on other side of the yard.

Mount Holyoke 1925.BS.II.3, Attic black figure skyphos, c. 500 B.C.
Hercules takes a break. The goddess Athena pours him a cup of wine.
Photograph by Maria Daniels, courtesy of the Mount Holyoke College Art Museum
When Augeas learned that Eurystheus was behind all this, he would not pay Hercules his reward. Not only that, he denied that he had even promised to pay a reward. Augeas said that if Hercules didn’t like it, he could take the matter to a judge to decide.

The judge took his seat. Hercules called the son of Augeas to testify. The boy swore that his father had agreed to give Hercules a reward. The judge ruled that Hercules would have to be paid. In a rage, Augeas ordered both his own son and Hercules to leave his kingdom at once. So the boy went to the north country to live with his aunts, and Hercules headed back to Mycenae. But Eurystheus said that this labour didn’t count, because Hercules was paid for having done the work.

(wpm)

[Fhios]

I’m sensing an across the board Progressive retreat on Trump/Russia issues. They got their scalp, Flynn. Now puts the heat on Obama and his administration and they don’t want to go there cause they know it’s a can of worms for them.

They do not want an open investigation on Trump and Obama’s ties to Russia scandal. They just want to investigate Trump, and they’ve been warned that the investigation will be on them if they keep pushing.

Hence, now they’re retreating.

choice quote from Foxes Sunday Morning futures: “Other countries focus on investigating their last administration” We need to be looking forward and finding ways to get this behind us — rest paraphrased.

[kabar]

The Marxists labeled underwriting as discrimination and made all the people want to eliminate the very thing which made insurance work for nearly everyone. They came up with ObiCare and made the insurance companies assume everyone were healthy males and allow everyone in at the same price. This forced the industry to assume everyone had cancer and rated the premiums accordingly. In my case as 62 yrs. of age my wife and I pay over $14,000 per year with a $5000 deductible which means we will pay $20,000 if we ever go to the hospital. Who can afford this? So we are paying all this money for only catastrophic coverage since they only underwrite for age and we are in the highest bracket and the only other carrier is even higher. We pay as if we are uninsurable which my wife does have a preexisting condition, but that is not factored in.

The insurance companies spent millions of dollars lobbying for Obamacare. They loved the individual mandate that made people buy their product. They loved the Obamacare subsidies to the insurance companies to cover risk corridors, i.e., to offset losses in 2014 and 2015. Currently, the USG owes the insurance companies $8.3 billion to cover these losses.

Obamacare is imploding. Doing nothing is not a option. The GOP must get its house in order to repeal and replace the system. They must also deal with the reality of what they can and cannot do given the current Congressional rules and the slim majority they hold in the Senate.

No, Waiting for ObamaCare to Implode is Not an Option Either…

"On October 21st, 2015, the Freedom Caucus backed Paul Ryan for Speaker of the House of Representatives. (LINK) A week later, October 28th, 2015, the same Freedom Caucus voted to approve a $2+ trillion dollar Omnibus spending bill, a massive continuing resolution, and removed the debt ceiling restrictions (link). Two days later, October 30th, 2015, at 3:00am in the morning, the Omnibus CR bill passed the Senate (link).

This was yet another year without a federal budget, and a specific decision to fund all of Obama’s spending priorities for 2015 and 2016.

It has now been 9 years since a federal budget was signed into law; the last one was September 2007 (FY ’08) by George W. Bush.

The 2015 Omnibus spending bill, used in place of an actual budget, extended spending of all programs, all of Obama’s programs (every.single.one), through April 1st of 2017.

President Trump’s budget proposal will not kick in until the beginning of fiscal year 2018 which begins on October 1st 2017.

That means there is a period from April 1st, 2017 until October 1st, 2017 without a financing mechanism. Hence, Secretary Mnuchin tells congress they need to raise the debt ceiling April 1st, to cover their own previously authorized and approved federal spending…. which they voted to do on October 28th and 30th 2015.

This is not a RINO issue; this is not a RYAN issue; this is a republican congressional issue of their own creation. President Trump didn’t have anything to do with their decision in 2015 to authorize two years of spending, essentially without limits.

They own that vote and that decision. However, now those same voices claim it would be against their principles to vote for an increase in the debt ceiling that is fundamentally required because of their own previous decision.

See now, why their credibility is less than?

This is the mindset behind what I call the “Crony Constitutional” crowd. Those who claim political fiscal purity and litmus tests, yet give a standing ovation to Speaker Paul Ryan at CPAC in February 2016, only three months after passing a two-year continuing resolution, $2+ trillion Omnibus spending bill and removing the debt ceiling. clap-clap-clap.

clap-clap-clap “Muh Ted Cruz”, “#NeverTrump” clap-clap-clap

Now, lets move on to the Healthcare proposal known as RyanCare. Yes, it sucks. Quite a bit of it sucks. However, the Muh Freedom Caucus voted for Speaker Ryan to lead the House of Representatives (Again – Link). So, don’t allow them to play mental gymnastics with you.

Additionally, many in the House Freedom Caucus are now complaining that RyanCare’s tax credits are a new entitlement. However, two years ago, 13 of the Freedom Caucus’s members, including chairman Mark Meadows, co-sponsored an ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill offered by then Representative Tom Price. That Freedom Caucus legislation included… wait for it….. yup, refundable tax credits. Go figure.

These are your abusers.

Two years later, Representative Tom Price is now HHS Secretary Tom Price, and has created the road-map with the three step plan to get the best possible financial solution through both the House and Senate.

It contains an almost identical framework to the prior proposals which were in the repeal-and-replace bills. Heck, it should – Price built the plan. Just ask President Ted Cruz, or President Rand Paul, or President Marco Rubio; no, wha, huh… wait. What?

As the fog is removed from the “talking points”. People begin to shake off the battered conservative syndrome and realize that all plans are moot if nothing is passed through both the House and Senate. There are only about 30 to 40 Senators willing to vote for a repeal bill. Teeth gnashing, shouting into the radio microphone, railing against the system etc. doesn’t change that.

[pghoilman]

Agree that second-guessing DJT is almost always a bad bet.
Odd that he has sent Pence out to defend RyanCare so enthusiastically.

[kabar]

Ryan should hang his head in shame.

With a couple of exceptions, Ryan was again made Speaker of the House with the overwhelming vote of Reps, including almost all of the so-called conservatives in the House Freedom Caucus.

The Reps need to make a decision on how bad they want to repeal Obamacare and put what they want in place. The only way is to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate.

[Rational Thought]

Been seeing Sen. Cotton on the TV circuit, today on "This Week".

Maybe I'm wrong here, but the way he's been speaking about the new health care bill, “Need to take our time”, “Won't pass the Senate”, etc., makes him sound like a closet Obamacare supporter.

He has all the criticisms of the new bill and offers no solutions.

Here's a quote from the Senator during his 2014 campaign; "We would repeal Obamacare and replace it entirely with many reforms for our health care program."

[rodguy911]

I think your open was from Rick Santelli who was the lone conservative on the fixed F.Chuck panel. He had a hard time making any progress since the plan proposed is pathetic at best.

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Once again thanks for all you help yesterday. I was lucky enough to finally find what was going on in the Bharara situation. Turns out he was a bagman for the left little more.

[McCarthysGhost]

His daddy was one of the fathers of fake news and just a plain old mean guy out to ruin innocent people.

[kabar]

Wallace may be one of the dumbest people in DC. He is so stuck on Obamacare and apparently the millions will die if we lose it.

They keep on harping on the "millions" who will lose coverage. Of course, Obamacare did cause millions to lose coverage. And coverage does not mean access when you have high premiums and high deductibles. Obamacare is discouraging access.

More than three quarters of the people who have been added to the insured rolls are on Medicaid, expanded and regular. The taxpayer picks up the costs.

80 million are on Medicaid now (including the CHIPS Program). This is a single payer program along with the 45 million on Medicare. Obamacare was always intended to be the bridge to single payer health care for all. Its implosion will trigger calls for a national single payer system. That was the plan all along.

[Fhios]

Petition to add Fox’s Sunday Morning Futures hosted by Maria Bartiromo.

Fast and to the point. Doesn’t delve to much into political motives but deals with real world consequences and actual thinking of the guests.

[kabar]

Bharara used to be on Schumer’s staff. He has aspirations of running for Governor of NY. He is a big Dem donor.

[rodguy911]

Exactly,however here is another huge problem.

Historically, the Ryan house has produced bills that absolutely killed obmacare when obama was in office. They knew these bills would not be signed and would be killed. So it was easy to show some guts that they don't show now.

Why don't they produce the same bill now that the bill would be signed by a President Trump. This is the worst exercise in political gamesmanship ever and it's all engineered by Ryan.

[Alas Babylon!]

I think there’s a LOT of information Donald learned upon actually assuming office and getting some of his key people in place, who could then forward him their respective agencies’ “secrets”. And he has several key people still awaiting their offices because of democrat slow balling...

I’ll bet Jeff Sessions found out some unpleasant facts about Preet.

[Alas Babylon!]

One answer:

TERM LIMITS!

NOW!

[weston]

Right on, kabar! The Pubs are playing us for chumps. I’m with Trump. Let’s pass this imperfect bill which at least moves the ball a tiny bit in our direction and then start passing additional bills that keep us inching forward.
Quit being an opposition do nothing party and work it out!!
I’m sick of these duplicitous so called conservatives.

[kabar]

The Rep opposition to Obamacare was political. The reality is that the GOPe and the big government Reps liked it. They supported mend it, don’t end it. This is what is happening now. They are scared that the Dems will use Trumpcare in 2018 and 2020 the same way the Reps used Obamacare. You can bet that not a single Dem will vote for Trumpcare.

[Fhios]

He’s probably working on an agreement. He’s agreed to enthusiastically support Ryancare for specific consideration on a Trump program.