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To: NowApproachingMidnight

Although there could be cases (rare,I suspect) of people with real pain and,thus,a real need for narcotics (cancer patients,for example) getting hooked on drugs I’m convinced that the overwhelming majority of addicts are just weak,immoral creatures.


8 posted on 03/08/2017 5:20:02 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Although there could be cases (rare,I suspect) of people with real pain and,thus,a real need for narcotics (cancer patients,for example) getting hooked on drugs I’m convinced that the overwhelming majority of addicts are just weak,immoral creatures.

I think it's more of a question of timing. Imagine being at the low point of your life and chance offers a tempting way out. Sometimes that way out is suicide, and sometimes it is drugs, but almost anything looks good when you've hit bottom. Some of us look and say "no, this is temporary, and it will get better without making such a stupid choice". Others, no more imperfect than us, just imperfect in different ways or facing exactly the wrong temptation at exactly the wrong time, make a terrible choice.

We all have the potential to be weak or immoral in one way or another, but some don't have the strength, courage, faith, or timing to turn to Jesus when we are not strong enough. Note: I've never even considered suicide or drugs. However, I did receive a VERY tempting offer of another kind at a time when I was dealing with a lot of big problems. Satan is not stupid (which is proof that Barack Obama was not Satan); Satan will hit you with the most tempting idea he has at exactly the worst time in your life for you to resist. I find it hard to blame weakness or immorality when we are facing such a powerful adversary - none of us by ourselves can be sure of prevailing against those odds.

18 posted on 03/08/2017 5:35:54 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Gay State Conservative

If you are dying of cancer where is the worry you will get addicted, that is the way LIBS think. And all this anti opioid is coming from LIBS who abuse prescription pain drugs and need laws they foist on others they won’t obey. Have you heard of ICC bladder disease? Pain meds are the only control these patients have. BAD SCIENCE like climate change crap is responsible for all the false info on opioid use and OD’s. IF you are going to kill yourself you will use what you find convenient to do the job, like a shotgun in your mouth.

No one has mentioned Lyrica, Neurotin, Cymbalta, Xanax, all extremely ADDICTIVE. Some of the most profitable drugs for Big Pharma and Doctors who get kick backs for scripting them. Lyrica users review, very lousy drug as well as being as addictive as heroin. http://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/lyrica/reviews

And Chronic Pain Patients are not that rare, and age is not a factor. 1.33 Million may be a drop in the population bucket, but that is a heck of a lot of people now being denied help.

I have serve spine degeneration that is genetic, that causes Peripheral Neuropathy in arms, legs and hands, it takes 2 seizure drugs to lower a level 10 pain to a 4. I’d be in a wheel chair with out them. 1 is on the DEA list the other is not, took 9 PN drugs to find 1 that worked. But it takes both to work. And that does not address the Osteoporosis or Osteoarthritis or Gastropresis pain. The side effects from the first 2 drugs are horrendous and can kill. GP there is only diet to lower the pain, eat a piece of fruit and you are in agony for 6 hrs that even a pain pill won’t stop.

Yes many are weak creatures, not all are immoral. My brother drank himself into bad health because he could not cope with our mother’s death, he’d not been prepared to cope with life he dropped dead of a heart attack 2 weeks ago due to his alcoholism, even though he had stopped drinking 9 months ago. My PCP went into deep depression when he lost his mom, and now no longer can practice. I’m stuck with his partner who SUCKS.


34 posted on 03/08/2017 6:00:46 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump! DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I’m convinced that the overwhelming majority of addicts are just weak,immoral creatures

First of all...point me to some "moral" creatures. Are you "moral"?

Everyone has issues to deal with and demons to fight and crosses to bear. (Everyone except you of course).

Lots and lots of times this starts out as 16 year old kids getting high off of prescription pills that they are buying for $10 a pop once or twice a month. Then it turn into once or twice a week by 17. Then it turns into 2 or 3 pills 4 times a week by 18. Then it becomes too expensive and turns into a heroin addiction.

These are stupid kids. They don't know what they are getting into until it is too late. I know that every decision that you made when you were 16 or 17 was perfectly in line with what is moral and wise but that isn't the case for all of us. I thank God everyday that prescription drug use and heroin weren't as prevalent when I was a stupid kid.

39 posted on 03/08/2017 6:06:11 AM PST by nitzy
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