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Delta Airlines Flagging Bags with Guns
Self ^ | February 28, 2017 | Self

Posted on 02/28/2017 3:39:08 PM PST by Reno89519

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Delta already flagged passengers with check guns, requiring return trip check-in at the counter instead of online. A nuisance but easy enough to deal with. Having to pick up the bag in the baggage office is fine. Putting a temporary tag would be okay, but not a big permanent tag.
1 posted on 02/28/2017 3:39:08 PM PST by Reno89519
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To: Reno89519

Several years ago rental car companies dropped marking cars as rentals

Fla DMV issued tags that denoted rentals..after a couple took a wrong turn and was murdered in beautiful Overtown I believe the practice was ended.


2 posted on 02/28/2017 3:43:21 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Reno89519

Bring a bigger sticker that says “Miami” to go over it? Seriously, this is stupid, Delta.


3 posted on 02/28/2017 3:43:26 PM PST by Zarro (Oh, we don't call them the "MSM" any longer; they are now the "Basket of Detestables")
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To: Reno89519

I’m a Diamond too and I just flew yesterday. I read the sign at checkin as I was curious about procedures for checking weapons. It said that the weapon must be in its own hardshell case with a lock. How are you checking yours—what kind of case?


4 posted on 02/28/2017 3:45:47 PM PST by dinodino
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I was under the impression that marking baggage containing firearms was illegal.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.

5 posted on 02/28/2017 3:48:15 PM PST by jdege
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To: Zarro

Is the Delta CEO a Hillary supporter?


6 posted on 02/28/2017 3:48:24 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: Reno89519

Why fly Delta? I say this as a Delta Diamond and United 1k - and this is the last year I’ll be with Delta because of how they are devaluing the program. I’ll hit United Global Services (one up from Diamond sort of Delta 360) this year by not flying Delta at all. They’ve made it basically worthless and into something like a grocery store affinity card.

Domestic upgrades, even as Diamond, are not so easy on certain routes. The bag weight limit is lower than competitors. International upgrade certificates are easier to use on competitors. Their load factor is very high so you’ll always have a seatmate when you’re not upgraded while on some of their competitors you still have a chance! The only thing they have going for them is their lounges, which are a superior product to their domestic competitors, and some of their international routes and partnerships.

The gun bit is terrible too. Basically air travel is a huge hassle with a massive security theater inside the United States coupled with miserable staff from check in to security to baggage.


7 posted on 02/28/2017 3:48:53 PM PST by jimnm
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To: Reno89519

Well that certainly makes it easier for the baggage handlers to have a field day stealing weapons.


8 posted on 02/28/2017 3:52:34 PM PST by ImNotLying (The Constitution is an instrument for the people to restrain the government...Patrick Henry)
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To: dinodino
Ongoing policy is gun is to be unloaded and ammo in magazine or boxes, both in locked case and in a locked bag. Pretty simple. Upon check-in declare, and often stand by in case there is a problem with TSA check--never had one with the checked bag. My current checked "bag" is a large Pelican case, which is pretty indestructible. Previously used a soft cloth bag, no difference. The hard case is better because I also carry a large display so I have a second when working in hotel room.

Once got tagged at the security checkpoint because of "explosive residue" on my carryon bag--unclear if this was from shooting or picked up because of where I was and visiting for work during the week down outside of Fort Huachuca. Almost missed my flight from Phoenix as the tested and retest and retested my bag and ripped it all apart.

9 posted on 02/28/2017 3:53:03 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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Per #5, delta may have inadvertently offered you a very large check.


10 posted on 02/28/2017 3:54:49 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: jdege

Interesting. Wonder how they get past this?


11 posted on 02/28/2017 3:54:52 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: jdege

GREAT CATCH

It's 27 CFR 478.31

If you fly Delta, protest such tagging, ask to see a supervisor, and get the name of the person who will not agree to your demand to not mark your bag.

Be calm, polite, firm, and call your lawyer as soon as you get home. By their actions, they have endangered not just your luggage, but your person.

If I was arguing your case, I would demand $15,000 cash or $50,000 in flight credits to settle. They would pay it (after about 20 billable hours of "The Lawyer Dance.") because it would cost them at least that to fight it.

BTW, what does the tag look like.

12 posted on 02/28/2017 4:01:55 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: jdege

Oops!
I see bonus miles in someones future, and potential lawsuit if can prove harm


13 posted on 02/28/2017 4:02:54 PM PST by DanielRedfoot (Viva Le Deplorable)
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To: jdege

Just searching on the entire last paragraph...

“No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.”

...pulls up numerous references from the NRA-ILA to the BATFE.

I think you nailed it. Delta is in violation of federal law.


14 posted on 02/28/2017 4:03:57 PM PST by moovova
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To: Reno89519

Let’s tag such bags and make it even easier for the perps to know which bag to target:

KING-5 Television:
Guns stolen from checked luggage
September 10, 2013

Two of (Army Ranger) Shannon’s weapons, a Glock 19 and a Rugger SR 22P, were stolen from his duffle bag that he checked before boarding his Delta Airlines flight. Shannon said he did everything by the book.

“I had my weapons in a lockbox, checked them, cleared through TSA, and then put my lock box back in my luggage. And when I got to my destination they were both gone,” explained Shannon.

Shannon was returning from a trip visiting family in Flint, Michigan and had a lay-over in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He said when he reported the problem to Delta staff, they were less than helpful.

He was asked to fill out an online claim form and leave. That’s not how things work in Ryan’s world.

“In the military, if a weapon is lost, you don’t go anywhere until you find it. So that was my instinct. I’m like, I can’t leave here until I have my weapon. And they’re just like you need to go,” said Shannon.


15 posted on 02/28/2017 4:05:36 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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Once got tagged at the security checkpoint because of "explosive residue" on my carryon bag--unclear if this was from shooting

Happened to me once. I asked "what set off the sensor" in a friendly way, and was told "gunpowder." Sure enough I used one of my flight bags to carry extra ammo to the range! Never again.

16 posted on 02/28/2017 4:23:45 PM PST by Ace's Dad (BTW, "Ace" is now Captain Ace. But only when I'm bragging!)
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The bumper sticker size tag is “CAGPT” and the Delta counter staff said this is a new policy to put on all gun-containing checked bags. I’ve made several calls to Delta, filed written complaint. No joy as every says they have no idea what is going on and that I should call another office.


17 posted on 02/28/2017 4:29:55 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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I think everybody has forgotten that Delta was the airline that just had a passenger collect his checked gun at an airport in Florida, go into the bathroom at the terminal and load it and then come out shooting. He killed five people. So I can see why they might be concerned.


18 posted on 02/28/2017 4:30:46 PM PST by livius
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To: Reno89519

This is illegal under the Federal law.

Cases will not be labeled as containing firearms. That practice was outlawed almost 10 years ago. Federal law now states: “No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.” [18 USC Sec. 922(e)] TSA will warn any airline that is marking cases that it is in violation of the law.

As always, since some airline counter clerks may have little training or experience in these procedures, gun owners should contact the airline in advance, obtain a written copy of the airline policy from a reservation clerk or the airline’s website, and bring it to the airport in order to answer any questions that arise at check-in. For further information, see: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm

From the NRA ILA.


19 posted on 02/28/2017 4:31:08 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: Reno89519

Temporary tag is also illegal


20 posted on 02/28/2017 4:31:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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