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Prager: Why My Stepsons’ Father Killed Himself
Truthrevolt.org ^ | 1-31-2017 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 01/31/2017 12:46:34 PM PST by servo1969

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To: Oldexpat

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2016/05/09/states-require-opioid-prescribers-to-check-for-doctor-shopping


141 posted on 01/31/2017 9:41:16 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: servo1969

Just the way the progressives want it.


142 posted on 01/31/2017 10:41:06 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Claud

Frankel was not in continuous, excruciating pain. And yeah, I’ve read a couple of his books, including that one.


143 posted on 02/01/2017 12:15:45 AM PST by Az Joe (11-8-2016-----We're still here President Reagan!!)
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To: IronJack
Why don't you ask her? It's your question.

HMMMmmm...

I could have sworn it was yours...


To: Elsie

The Catholic Church. Do they justify Samson’s “suicide?”

107 posted on ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2017‎ ‎6‎:‎06‎:‎44‎ ‎PM by IronJack

144 posted on 02/01/2017 3:35:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Crucial

Who said anything about willing?


145 posted on 02/01/2017 3:35:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
First of all, suicide is murder...

Oh?

Where is this fact written down?

146 posted on 02/01/2017 3:37:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Questions?

Yes...

1. Did Samson MURDER himself when the walls came down?

2. Did Samson MURDER all them other folks in the building when the walls came down?

According to Catholic teaching; of course.

147 posted on 02/01/2017 3:39:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...those who do not enter the gates of Life.

Now THIS is a new One!

148 posted on 02/01/2017 3:40:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
THis is my opinion.

As valueless as mine.

What does your chosen religion teach?

149 posted on 02/01/2017 3:41:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lean-Right
...6 weeks feeling like a hot dog at a 7-11.

And THIS is why I do NOT want to eat one of them dogs, as they MAY have been spinning for 6 weeks!

150 posted on 02/01/2017 3:42:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ann Archy
“My grace is sufficient.” comes to mind.
151 posted on 02/01/2017 3:44:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: servo1969

I’ve had adhesions which were treated by cauterization. Since then, I’ve had little problem with them.

I am very afraid of developing any condition that causes severe chronic pain. Opioids do not work for me. They cause all of the side effects, without any perceptible effect on the pain. In addition, the last time I took one, I had a piercing headache for four days.

The best I ever got from narcotics (opioids) is to feel loopy after taking them, which distracts attention from the pain but does not decrease it. There is undeniable value in being distracted from the pain, but distraction can be achieved without drugs.

It would be nice if there were some effective medications (other than anesthetics) that really addressed pain, that actually could block it.


152 posted on 02/01/2017 3:44:15 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: sergeantdave

Depends on how steep it is.


153 posted on 02/01/2017 3:44:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: zeestephen
Pain relievers killed less than 1% of the 2.6 million Americans who died last year.

While CHOICE killed around a million future AMEERICANS.

154 posted on 02/01/2017 3:45:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Suicide if fully deliberately intended is a terrible sin...

Again; where is the data?

155 posted on 02/01/2017 3:46:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Correction. Your statement contained a presumption I was.not willing to concede. While the question itself was mine, the premise was yours.


156 posted on 02/01/2017 5:35:41 AM PST by IronJack
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

What is left out is the 1.33 Million Chronic Pain patients with incurable diseases and botched surgeries or degenerative spines. Opioids are their only way to be productive or want to live.

Suicide rates have climbed due to the drastic cut back in prescription opioids. Each patient has to be accessed for need. And why should we who use our meds responsibly be responsible for those who don’t? Or mix them with illegal street drugs or booze.

They are just driving up our suicide rates as we get no pain control or so little it is useless. Drs. are scared to prescribe for us. Lyrica, Neurotin, Cymbalta are WAY MORE ADDICTIVE and have MORE HORRID SIDE EFFECTS, and Lyrica and Neurotin are on the DEA list.

Did you read this post? Thank you, Dennis, for addressing this. When I worked in oncology, I remember several of my patients being refused appropriate pain management by their physicians. When the families discussed this with me and sought my help, my inquiries with their physicians was met with an all too familiar explanation. The doctors are simply afraid for their careers. The DEA monitors how much narcotics and other painkillers each doctor prescribes. If it appears a physician is prescribing a large amount, it can trigger an audit of his practice. This can be devastating to a doctor’s career, and is not deserved. While I believe in harsh punishments for doctors who enable drug addicts, these DEA regulations are yet another area of government regulation that defies common sense and needs overhauling or simply eliminating. Let law enforcement worry about catching the criminals, and let doctors care for their patient’s needs, including their pain management.

I will never forget, even after over 30 years, the poor husband and father, writhing in so much agony from terminal brain cancer, that the nurses were forced to tie him to his bed with restraints.

I’m not an advocate of euthanasia, but we treat our pets better than this. When the patient is terminal or incurable, possible drug addiction shouldn’t even be on the radar.
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I’ve been through 9 Peripheral Neuropathy drugs due to a degenerative spine and collapsed discs, to find 1 that works with out the horrid side effects. Take it away and I’ll need a wheel chair. And that does not count the OA/OP/Gastropresis/or Fibromyalgia, even my Hypothyroidism causes pain. Try living in pain 24/7/365. I am not responsible for those who OD on their meds, they are many have underlying mental health issues.

My friend’s son took a shot gun and took his life because of mental health issues.

NO CONNECTION TO PAIN MEDS
ADDICTION https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2015/6/12/there-is-no-epidemic-of-painkiller-overdoses

DEA shortage of pain meds
http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/13166594/dea-opioid-epidemic-manufacturer-2017-substance-

AAPM Facts and Figures on Pain
http://www.painmed.org/patientcenter/facts_on_pain.aspx

Chronic Pain Patient Abandoned by Doctor Dies
https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/12/22/chronic-pain-patient-abandoned-by-doctor-dies

http://www.pharmaciststeve.com/?p=18350

Chronic health conditions
http://www.nationalhealthcouncil.org/sites/default/files/NHC_Files/Pdf_Files/AboutChronicDisease.pdf

Doctors are cutting opioids, even if it harms patients
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/02/doctors-curtail-opioids-but-many-see-harm-pain-patients/z4Ci68TePafcD9AcORs04J/story.html

The War on Drugs has become insane. This is not normal: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/jan/22/pregnant_oklahoma_woman_seeks_me

“Patients in Legitimate Chronic Pain are Paying the Price”: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/01/cost-blaming-doctors-prescription-drug- abuse.html

On Assisted Suicide, Going Beyond ‘Do No Harm’
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/opinion/on-assisted-suicide-going-beyond-do-no-harm.html?_r=0

DEA WAR ON Docs
http://www.federaljack.com/is-the-%E2%80%9Cwar-on-drugs%E2%80%9D-as-phony-as-the-%E2%80%9Cwar-on-terror%E2%80%9D/

“How the war on drugs victimizes Rx pain patients”: http://www.sagaciousnewsnetwork.com/how-the-war-on-rx-drugs-victimizes-pain -patients/

Chronic pain epidemiology and its clinical relevance
http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/111/1/13.long

On Assisted Suicide, Going Beyond ‘Do No Harm’
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/opinion/on-assisted-suicide-going-beyond-do-no-harm.html?_r=0

Chronic health conditions
http://www.nationalhealthcouncil.org/sites/default/files/NHC_Files/Pdf_Files/AboutChronicDisease.pdf

Are CDC Opioid Guidelines Causing More Suicides?
https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/5/27/are-cdcs-opioid-guidelines-causing-more-suicides

NASCAR Legend’s Chronic Pain Led to Suicide
http://nationalpainreport.com/nascar-legends-chronic-pain-led-to-suicide-8819960.html

Opioid Malfeasance At The CDC- Guess Who Is Getting Hurt?
http://www.acsh.org/news/2016/12/05/opioid-malfeasance-cdc-guess-who-getting-hurt-10531

Chronic Pain and the Death of a New York Times Journalist

The CDC reports there are 44 deaths per day that involve opioids, but there are more than 105 deaths per day from suicide. An undoubtedly significant (but uncertain) number of those suicides can be attributed to people with severe pain.
http://thepainfultruthbook.com/2016/03/chronic-pain-and-the-death-of-a-new-york-times-journalist/

The Connection Between Chronic Pain and Suicide
http://www.spine-health.com/blog/connection-between-chronic-pain-and-suicide

Chronic Pain and the Risk of Suicide | Psychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/nation-in-pain/201511/chronic-pain-and-the-risk-suicide

One in 10 suicides linked to chronic illness, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/aug/23/suicide-chronic-illness-study

Chronic Pain Patient Abandoned by Doctor Dies
https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/12/22/chronic-pain-patient-abandoned-by-doctor-dies

http://www.pharmaciststeve.com/?p=18350

The Stress Of Severe Pain: 11% Of Americans Suffer From Chronic Pain,
http://www.medicaldaily.com/stress-severe-pain-11-americans-suffer-chronic-pain-nih-states-347292


157 posted on 02/01/2017 7:01:38 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: GailA

All I know is what I read and doctors have to realize opiates are not a long term solution. In fact there may not be one.


158 posted on 02/01/2017 7:10:20 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Liz

Nearly every woman who has had C Sections or Hysterectomy develop Adhesion’s, they are very debilitating to the point you can’t get out of bed, they use laparotomy surgery to burn them off, but they only come back a few months or years later. Been there. Then with a Hysterectomy your risk a fallen bladder or bowel again very painful, and those meshes they use as slings are under lawsuits for the damage they cause. Same goes for a hernia.

We are going backwards instead of forward in medicine.


159 posted on 02/01/2017 7:11:41 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: Elsie
What do you mean, "data"? Do you know something is a sin because of "data"?

"Data" is not a Christian argument.

Murder is a sin. God says so via at least two ways: Decalogue and Natural Law.

Doesn't make any difference whether the victim is yourself or somebody else, because you do not own your own life. God alone is the Lord and Giver of Life, and we are not to defy His sovereignty.

Who is the Master of Life? You, or God?

WHo told you to "Choose life"? Data?

This is so fundamental and obvious I'm mildly flabbergasted by the ongoing push-back.

160 posted on 02/01/2017 7:53:03 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Do the universities stifle writers? I think they don't stifle enough of them. - Flannery O'Connor)
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