[nopardons]

There have now been SIX presidents, from N.Y. state alone, throw in the presidents from Mass., N.H. and Vt. ( and the Bushes are originally from N.E.! ) and it adds quite a lot more to the "YANKEE" list, which you claim "can't win", because they don't have "flyover country values".

You are in great need of remedial factual history and geography lessons.

[kearnyirish2]

This past election saw a NYer (Trump) run against a former NY senator (a carpetbagger from IL); NY would have claimed the winner either way. How many NYers won in the country as it exists now (50 states)?