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To: Olog-hai
Germany's Left Party has previously called for warmer ties with Russia and scrapping the security alliance, measures which appear to be policy concerns for the incoming US administration.

I can confirm that this impulse to break Germany away from the United States and attach it to Russia is more widespread than most Americans are likely aware. The "undiplomatic" expressions of Donald Trump and the recent interview only play into the popular image here in Germany that he is a buffoon and an ignoramus. I cannot emphasize enough the depth of this feeling among people who do not even begin to understand why Brixet succeeded in England.

Trump is perhaps speaking this way because he is thinking of making his deal and he is staking out an opening negotiating position. But he must understand that the popular understanding of himself, at least here in Germany, is as I have described. Remember, there is no talk radio here, it is as though everything comes from CNN.

Some of this impulse arises from a desire to do away with the sanctions against Russia and exploit the land as a market, just as Trump has described Germany using the European Union, or as a substitute for the Mercantile policy of the British Empire or the aspirations of Hitler to dominate Europe.

As I tried to describe in two previous replies :

Grand Strategy Comes To The Oil Patch

And

here

An attachment of Germany to Russia, combined with China, would be the ultimate strategic catastrophe for America.


6 posted on 01/17/2017 9:11:39 PM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Russia isn’t going to attache itself to a country undergoing voluntary Islamification.


8 posted on 01/17/2017 9:15:20 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nathanbedford

Russia has oil, Germany has manufactured products, win-win.

Putin is dangerous, mostly because of the nuclear threat. Russia can be a limited ally, if we have intelligent leaders who know what can be negotiated and the line where Putin can and can’t be trusted. Per Reagan: trust but verify. Russia is not threatening to move 3 million young adult male Mohammedans into Europe. Erdogan (Turkey) is.


17 posted on 01/17/2017 9:35:15 PM PST by bIlluminati (Balance the budget. Defund the Left!)
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To: nathanbedford
An interesting situation you are describing here:

Trump disses Merkel for her refugee policy and anti-Russian posture.

Many Germans get angry at Trump and want to join with Russia.

In the end, they end up agreeing with Trump by embracing Russia.

But they still hate Trump and U.S.

The only common denominator of this development and German reactions in the past is a deep-seated resentment against U.S. They always viewed Americans as bunch of ignoramuses who do not deserve to have such a great power. Trump is a kind of caricature they always project onto Americans.

19 posted on 01/17/2017 9:39:09 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: nathanbedford

Also seems to me that they were heavily invested in Hillary too, even to the point of using her to yank US sovereignty out from under us. Obama gave them lots of advantage insofar as undermining US power on the world scene, and the continuation of that would have meant that their path “forward” was far smoother.


21 posted on 01/17/2017 9:43:31 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: nathanbedford

>An attachment of Germany to Russia, combined with China, would be the ultimate strategic catastrophe for America.

Ultimate strategic catastrophe for the American land empire you mean. Personally I think the American empire is more of a drain on this country than it’s worth. I have no problem with letting it go.


22 posted on 01/17/2017 9:45:43 PM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
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To: nathanbedford

Germany allied with Russia? Too much left over from two world wars and the Cold War. Maybe in two generations or so.


40 posted on 01/18/2017 1:05:28 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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