Posted on 01/13/2017 7:54:34 AM PST by VitacoreVision
Vaccine choice — whether to give one’s own children vaccines for various viral maladies — has become a household topic, even working its way into the presidential debates. The debate has been characterized by most media and many politicians as a fight between those who are concerned about public health and those who ignorantly disregard public safety, and endanger others via their decisions not to inoculate, because of overblown fears of vaccine dangers. But the controversy has not been accurately presented. As someone who has been on the front lines fighting for parental choice, it’s apparent to me that it would be more precise to say that the battle is between those who trust themselves to weigh the potential benefits and dangers of vaccines and those who wish to give the power to make parental decisions to the state (as if government is all-wise).
The year 2015 began with a media frenzy over a measles outbreak at Disneyland. It captured attention like never before and started a firestorm of debate. Thankfully, there were no deaths or serious complications. But that is not unusual. The Centers for Disease Control reports that approximately 0.2 percent of the measles cases in the United States from 1985 to 1992 resulted in death. In fact, it would have been unusual if someone had died, because no one has died from measles in this country since 2004. Compare that to CDC findings about the flu:
It is estimated that in the United States, each year on average 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu and more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from seasonal flu-related complications. Flu seasons are unpredictable and can be severe. Over a period of 30 years, between 1976 and 2006, estimates of flu-associated deaths in the United States range from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.
So at the very least, the media frenzy over measles at Disney was overblown. It was also very one-sided — against parents’ rights. Interestingly, what one didn’t hear in the media coverage was a separate fact from the CDC: According to the CDC, since 2004, more than 100 people have died from the measles (MMR) vaccine. Based on the CDC’s own data there is actually a greater risk of dying from taking the vaccine than there is from catching the measles.
Also pertinent is the observation that if the vaccinations work, how is it possible that the unvaccinated kids are endangering everyone? Shouldn’t the vaccinated children be safe?
As a parent who has investigated the facts after seeing one of my children injured, I believe that the vaccine, in the case of measles, is more deadly than the disease, and I choose not to take that risk with my other children. While the knee-jerk reaction by the all-powerful-government crowd would be to accuse me and those like me of recklessness, irresponsibility, or worse, the simple fact is that I believe not only that my children are my responsibility and should be guided by me, but that it is the number one job of parents to decide what risks their children will be allowed to take, as they already do in most other areas.
Consider that Stanford Children’s Health reports that in the United States about 30 million children between the ages of five and 14 participate in some form of organized sport, and 3.5 million of them (more than 10 percent) are injured, with many getting traumatic brain injury and some even dying. Stanford clarifies:
• Sports and recreational activities contribute to approximately 21 percent of all traumatic brain injuries among American children.
• Almost 50 percent of head injuries sustained in sports or recreational activities occur during bicycling, skateboarding, or skating incidents.
Some parents respond to sports-injury statistics by not letting their children participate in certain sports, such as football or skiing, or by not letting their children skate without helmets or forbidding trampoline use; others encourage all athletic activities, with the mind-set not only that athletics chisel properly functioning bodies, but that sports build character, and the only thing worse than a child who is physically injured is a child with a damaged psyche. But the important thing is that parents choose — as is their right.
An Outbreak of Legislation
Notwithstanding the facts that vaccine mandates are really mandates to restrict parental rights, and fueled by the media attention, legislation popped up around the nation with the purpose of abolishing non-medical vaccine exemptions or “opt-outs” for schoolchildren. Americans were led to believe that the Disneyland outbreak was the result of unvaccinated children and that all Americans were in danger as a result of the unvaccinated. Again, assertions diverged from reality.
According to the CDC, the outbreak likely started from a traveler who became infected overseas, then visited Disneyland while infectious. Analysis by CDC scientists showed that the measles virus type (B3) was identical to the virus type that caused the large measles outbreak in the Philippines in 2014. Whether the foreign carrier had been vaccinated is unknown.
Moreover, claims made about the efficacy of the vaccines and the dangers spawned by unvaccinated children were grossly inaccurate. Legislators who authored bills to require vaccinations claimed herd immunity — defined as a “general immunity to a pathogen in a population based on the acquired immunity to it by a high proportion of members over time” — was at an all-time low because parents were abusing their personal and religious exemption rights by not inoculating their children. But vaccine-based herd immunity is largely a myth.
The original concept of herd immunity was coined by Dr. A.W. Hedrich in the 1930s, based upon his epidemiological studies of measles. His theory applied to the protection that occurs when a population contracts and recovers naturally from infections. Later on, immunologists adopted the phrase, and they established a desired 68-percent vaccination rate to acquire “safe herd immunity” in a population. Later they increased the desired vaccination rate to 95 percent of the population to garner herd immunity, though nothing new was learned about disease pathology to account for the increase. But even that vaccination rate doesn’t guarantee safety from infection.
Outbreaks still occur even in populations where 99 percent of the group has been vaccinated. In 1986, for example, a school in Corpus Christi, Texas, had a measles outbreak even though 99 percent of the students were vaccinated. Not only does this fact make a mockery out of herd immunity, it draws attention to the fact that people who have been vaccinated can still become infected — thus condemning the arguments of the big-government people.
Outbreaks among the vaccinated are common. In 2011, a 22-year-old woman, also known as “Measles Mary,” developed measles shortly after being vaccinated. Despite having received both of her two “recommended” doses, she turned out to be unwittingly contagious. Ultimately, she transmitted the measles to four people, of whom, not surprisingly, two had been fully vaccinated.
Also, some parents report their children developing “measles-like” rashes after being vaccinated with this live virus. One Oklahoma family, the Tylers, witnessed their one-year-old little boy become instantly lethargic after his MMR. Three days later, he spiked a high fever and then proceeded to scream all night for the first three days of the fever. Once the fever broke, he broke out in a “measles-like” rash. Needless to say, the Tyler family did not vaccinate him for the second MMR; therefore, this child needs an exemption to attend school.
Another weakness in the argument for herd immunity is based on adult coverage. Adults outnumber children three to one, yet currently this demographic of the “herd” cannot be said to be vaccinated. Natural immunity to a disease can last a lifetime; vaccine-induced immunity often does not. Vaccine efficacy rates depend on the vaccine. The Centers for Disease Control admits, “In the first year after getting vaccinated, whooping cough vaccines for adolescents and adults (called Tdap) protect about 7 out of 10 people who receive them. There is a decrease in effectiveness in each following year. About 3 or 4 out of 10 people are fully protected 4 years after getting Tdap.” Therefore, over half of our community of adults is unvaccinated, as most do not get boosters. Hence, our communities have never achieved a 95-percent vaccine-induced herd immunity, yet we still have managed to eliminate many serious diseases. So there must be other factors, such as better sanitation and nutrition, that explain our successes.
A Problem-causing Solution
The theory of vaccine-induced herd immunity is being sold in an attempt to achieve an agenda: forced vaccinations for all, beginning with our children, and increased government power over the people. What better way to achieve these goals than by legislation camouflaged in “greater good” rhetoric?
My home state of Oklahoma was one of the states threatened with legislation. State Senator and Doctor Ervin Yen attempted (unsuccessfully) to eliminate both the religious and personal exemptions to vaccinations that Oklahoma has long upheld. In response, thousands of concerned citizens quickly organized to oppose this violation of rights. Oklahomans for Vaccine and Health Choice was founded, and concerned parents (many with vaccine-injured children) began contacting their state legislators in record numbers. These parents began to coordinate e-mail campaigns, educational movie screenings, and town hall meetings to educate both legislators and fellow citizens on the issue of vaccine choice.
One town hall meeting was structured in a debate-like forum and featured Senator Yen and Dr. Stephanie Christner, a licensed psychiatrist, whose own infant daughter died of vaccine-induced SIDS. First, Dr. Christner gave her presentation, which detailed peer-reviewed studies demonstrating vaccines are not always safe or effective. Countering, Senator Yen defended his bill with two arguments: the theory of herd immunity and the claim that vaccine injury is extremely rare, at “one in a million.”
The claim about herd immunity is, as we noted, speculative, at best, and the second assertion is misleading. The CDC reports that one patient is compensated by the vaccine court for every one million vaccine doses given, not that only one person out of a million people is injured. Far more have likely been injured and not received compensation, because it is very difficult to get compensation for injury.
Pharmaceutical companies, to ensure their profitability, lobbied Congress for years to pass legislation to become virtually immune to prosecution. In 1986, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed. The act removed liability for drug-caused injuries and effectively closed the courthouse doors to the injured.
In the place of standard trials for injury via vaccines, the National Vaccine Injury Court was formed. It is not a true court because it has no judge, no jury, no legal precedent, and no public hearing. It pays injured claimants from a fund created by confiscating part of the purchase price of each vaccine — if you can get into the “court” and win your case.
To make it before the court, an individual files a petition with the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. Next, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services medical staff reviews the petition and determines if it meets the medical criteria for compensation. The U.S. Department of Justice develops a report that includes the medical recommendation and legal analysis and submits it to the court. The report is presented to a court-appointed special master, who decides whether the petitioner should be compensated, often after holding a hearing in which both parties can present evidence. If compensation is awarded, the special master determines the amount and type of compensation. Finally, if a family is able to navigate through each of the governmental steps, the court orders the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to award compensation. Application must begin before the expiration of a two-year statute of limitation from time of injury or death.
To date, of the approximately 14,000 cases selected, only 4,000 were determined to be compensable, thus leaving almost 10,000 cases dismissed. Sadly, most families living through the after-effects of injuries or death never file a petition, so the above numbers are just a fraction of what could and what should have been paid. The majority of vaccine-injured never see a penny. Despite the drawbacks of the new system for plaintiffs, to date, over $3.2 billion has been paid out to victims.
Soon after legal immunity was granted, protecting pharmaceutical companies from lawsuits, the CDC increased the vaccine schedule for America’s children, and to date the schedule has tripled, with children receiving upwards of 70 vaccines. Vaccine revenues have soared from $510 million in 1985 to $24.3 billion in 2014. There has also been an increase in autism rates during this time, though the government disputes the fact that vaccines can even cause autism, despite its own court judgments and other findings.
For example, a study done by the Pace Environmental Law Review in 2011 revealed 83 compensated cases of autism, showing that the government has known about a link between vaccines and autism for many years now.
In June of 2007, in a remarkably clear decision, Special Master Richard Abell ruled in a case accusing the MMR shot of causing Bailey Banks to acquire autism when he was 15 months old that the Bankses had successfully demonstrated that “the MMR vaccine at issue actually caused the conditions from which Bailey suffered and continues to suffer.” In his conclusion, Abell ruled that the MMR had directly caused a brain inflammation which, in turn, had caused the autism.
Moreover, a 2013 report published by the Institute of Medicine concluded that the federally recommended birth-to-six-year-old child vaccine schedule has not been fully scientifically evaluated; therefore, we may have traded the fear of contracting short-term illnesses for living a life with long-term chronic illness:
Most vaccine-related research focuses on the outcomes of single immunizations or combinations of vaccines administered at a single visit. Although each new vaccine is evaluated in the context of the overall immunization schedule that existed at the time of review of that vaccine, elements of the schedule are not evaluated once it is adjusted to accommodate a new vaccine. Thus, key elements of the entire schedule — the number, frequency, timing, order and age at administration of vaccines — have not been systematically examined in research studies.
Many activists in the pro-parental-choice movement are parents who have had a child experience traumatic injury as the result of vaccines. They witnessed children change for the worse after vaccinations, with many reporting autism occurring.
Since the 1990s, there has been an explosion in the number of cases of autism. A disorder that was once very rare, according to the Centers for Disease Control, is now estimated to affect one in 50 Americans.
The disease was once so rare that very few doctors had ever seen anything like it. In April 1943, a psychiatry journal called The Nervous Child published an article entitled “Autistic Disturbances of Affective Contact.” Written by Leo Kanner, a Johns Hopkins child psychiatrist who is widely considered the founder of the field, the article discusses his observations of a few cases where he states that a new and unknown disorder — autism — was beginning to appear:
Since 1938, there have come to our attention a number of children whose condition differs so markedly and uniquely from anything reported so far, that each case merits — and, I hope, will eventually receive — a detailed consideration of its fascinating peculiarities.
Elsewhere, he called autism “a behavior pattern not known to me or anyone else theretofore.” And the increase in autism is so great that it cannot be explained on the basis of better diagnosing. If one in 50 now have autism, then where are all the elderly people with autism? There would have to be approximately two percent of our elderly population who have had a life of autism. That cohort doesn’t exist.
Despite, or because of, the explosion of autism in children, government is so intent on attacking claims of vaccine-induced autism that it literally trashed data finding that inoculations did cause autism. In the summer of 2014, Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist at the CDC, stated that in 2004, he and his study co-authors intentionally threw away information relative to the autism-MMR link. He revealed that the CDC possessed evidence showing that the MMR increases the risk of autism in African-American boys by 340 percent if given before the age of 36 months. Instead of warning the public, the CDC’s top scientists actively conspired to bury, and even destroy, that evidence.
Congressman Bill Posey (R-Fla.) quoted Dr. Thompson in testimony before Congress, saying, “The coauthors scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study. The remaining four coauthors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room and went through all the hard copy documents that we had thought we should discard and put them in a huge garbage can.”
Dr. William Thompson has not testified before Congress about the allegations. Congressman Posey has requested a congressional hearing take place, but one has not been scheduled, as the incident is still under investigation, according to Congressman Jason Chaffetz’ office. Chaffetz (R-Utah) serves as the chair of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, yet for over a year has made no public attempt to subpoena Dr. William Thompson.
Going on the Offense
Aware of all the foregoing information, the pro-parental-choice movement in Oklahoma strove to find legislators who were both willing to listen to the facts and would be open to going on the offense to protect vaccine choice. State Representative Randy Grau and State Senator Nathan Dahm took the lead by authoring a bill that would require doctors to present a more balanced approach to informed consent that includes potential risks/benefits, ingredients, and knowledge about the lack of liability should injury or death occur.
The bill was in line with recommendations from the American Medical Association. That group says about medical procedures and the requirements for informed consent and the ability to refuse treatment:
The patient’s right of self-decision can be effectively exercised only if the patient possesses enough information to enable an informed choice. The physician’s obligation is to present the medical facts accurately to the patient or to the individual responsible for the patient’s care and to make recommendations for management in accordance with good medical practice. The physician has an ethical obligation to help the patient make choices from among the therapeutic alternatives consistent with good medical practice.
On February 8, 2016, Representative Grau introduced his bill, HB 3016, the Parental Rights Immunization Act, at Health Freedom Rally 2016. He announced to the crowd, “I know you did not pick this fight. This fight came to you when there was a proposal to take away your choice, to take away your rights.” Speaking about Yen’s bill, he continued, “Just like in education, where parents are the primary teacher, I believe parents are the first and primary health care provider.” The crowd cheered.
State Representative Mike Ritze, D.O., a physician and surgeon, co-author of the bill, also spoke at the rally: “Parental oversight of their children, in regard to vaccine choice, is the basic government that God has given to or in the family structure. With over 70 vaccines suggested by government today the parents should decide which is needed with advice and consent of their family physician.”
And just as Americans want to know the ingredients in their food, many parents want to know what ingredients are being injected into their children. HB 3016 would ensure that parents could receive that information prior to vaccinations. Vaccine ingredients include heavy metals, such as aluminum; known carcinogens, such as formaldehyde; and human and animal cells, such as aborted fetal cells that are used as cultures to grow live viruses.
On February 17, 2016, Oklahoma’s HB 3016 unanimously passed out of committee. When it hit the House floor on March 9, it received little opposition and passed 89-6. HB 3016 passed its first Senate committee, the Health and Human Services Committee, by a vote of seven to one. The only senator to vote against informing parents was Senator Ervin Yen.
HB 3016 was eventually cleared by the Oklahoma legislature and sent to Governor Mary Fallin for her signature. Fallin vetoed the measure on April 29. As of this writing, proponents of HB 3016 are hoping to override the veto.
Strategizing for Forced Vaccinations
In response to opposition to his own bill, Senator Yen changed his original bill, which had removed both personal and religious exemptions, so that it only removed personal exemptions. Despite the change, State Senator Rob Standridge, chair of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee, refused to hear Yen’s bill on the basis that the legislature should not get involved in decisions best left to doctors and parents. This was a victory, but it was a temporary victory. In the afternoon of Friday, February 19, 2016, grassroots activists were notified that another committee, the Education Committee, was going to hear the bill, SB 1478, the following Monday. Oklahomans for Vaccine and Health Choice-PAC immediately sent out action alerts. By the end of the weekend, hundreds of Oklahomans had e-mailed, as well as filling legislator’s voicemails to capacity. By Monday concerned citizens were waiting in the halls at the Capitol. After one hour of debate, the bill was killed, but only by one nail-biting vote. Senator Yen has vowed to not give up, and in his closing statements, he stated to the dismay of the crowd, “I don’t know why parents want exemptions. I think parents opt out of vaccines because it is easier than taking their kids to the doctor” — an obvious ad hominem attack, especially since it is easier to go to the doctor than the capitol.
The Elephant in the Room
For any parent who has ever opted out of vaccines, it is a reality that refusing to vaccinate is in no way easy. From the moment your child is born, vaccines are pushed, beginning with the hepatitis B shot at birth. This disease is mainly passed via sexual intercourse and IV drug use; yet the vaccine is given to newborns, and then parents are pressured to follow a hefty schedule of over 70 vaccines by the time the child is 18. If parents refuse, they are often made to feel guilty.
We are at a crossroads on who “calls the shots” over our health and freedom. With over 200 vaccines in development, this is not just about children anymore. All of us will be targets to meet the quota for “herd immunity.” We either give over complete control of health decisions to government and the trillion-dollar pharmaceutical industry or fight this type of legislation now! Our nation has become the most vaccinated nation on Earth, and Americans are under the threat of being denied education or employment if they don’t comply with vaccinations. When we consider that vaccines come with risk (thousands of reported injuries), are often not effective (outbreaks have occurred in populations where 99 percent were vaccinated), have no consumer product liability, and are given in numbers today that have never been tested in totality, it seems that the pursuit by legislators to remove personal and religious exemptions is tyranny in its highest form, so we opt to fight.
Liza Greve is co-director of Oklahomans for Vaccine and Health Choice.
From CDC
In the decade before the live measles vaccine was licensed in 1963, an average of 549,000 measles cases and 495 measles deaths were reported annually in the United States. However, it is likely that, on average, 3 to 4 million people were infected with measles annually; most cases were not reported. Of the reported cases, approximately 48,000 people were hospitalized from measles and 1,000 people developed chronic disability from acute encephalitis caused by measles annually.
From UpToDate ...
Pneumonia is the most common cause of measles-associated death in children; it occurs in approximately 6 percent of cases [4]. Respiratory tract infections occur most frequently among patients <5 years and >20 years of age.
Pulmonary complications of measles virus infection include bronchopneumonia, laryngotracheobronchitis (croup), and bronchiolitis [6,18]. Measles has also been associated with development of bronchiectasis, which can predispose to recurrent respiratory infections [18]. Bacterial superinfection may occur in up to 5 percent of cases.
Neurologic complications associated with measles include encephalitis, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis and subacute sclerosing panencephalitis.
Acute measles-induced encephalopathy has been described in the setting of human immunodeficiency virus infection; this manifestation is rare [32].
Encephalitis — Encephalitis occurs in up to 1 per 1000 measles cases... Approximately 25 percent of children have neurodevelopmental sequelae; rapidly progressive and fatal disease occurs in about 15 percent of cases
ADEM Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is a demyelinating disease that occurs in about 1 per 1000 measles cases. ADEM following measles infection is associated with a 10 to 20 percent mortality [33]; this is higher than mortality from ADEM due to other causes (up to 7 percent) [36]. Residual neurologic abnormalities are common among survivors, including behavior disorders, mental retardation, and epilepsy
SSPE is a fatal, progressive degenerative disease of the central nervous system that usually occurs 7 to 10 years after natural measles virus infection. Its pathogenesis is not well understood but may involve persistent infection with a genetic variant of measles virus within the central nervous system [8,37].
Between 1960 and 1974, the estimated incidence of SSPE was 8.5 cases per million cases of measles. Between 1970 and 1980, the incidence fell to 0.06 cases per million; the decline paralleled the decline of measles cases as a result of vaccination (with a lag time of several years) [38]. Data derived from the resurgence of measles infection in the United States between 1989 and 1991 suggest that the risk of SSPE may be 10-fold higher than originally estimated, based on follow-up study of cases of biopsy-proven SSPE [39].
Donald Trump on Vaccines:
I’m not against vaccinations for your children, I’m against them in 1 massive dose.Spread them out over a period of time & autism will drop!
@realDonaldTrump | 4 Sep 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/507546307620528129
No more massive injections. Tiny children are not horses—one vaccine at a time, over time.
@realDonaldTrump | 3 Sep 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/507158396051927041
I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future.
@realDonaldTrump | 3 Sep 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/507158574670573568
Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!
@realDonaldTrump | 28 Mar 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552
Lots of autism and vaccine response. Stop these massive doses immediately. Go back to single, spread out shots! What do we have to lose.
@realDonaldTrump | 22 Oct 2012
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/260412905361657856
I’m curious. If your child gets the vaccine, how is your child endangered by a child who gets the disease your child is vaccinated against?
As for what you do or don’t want your taxes to go toward, that line of reasoning leads to absolute government control and you should recognize that fact before taking such a ridiculous position. Do fat people cost you money via higher Medicare and Medicaid expenses? Probably. So how far are you willing to go to stop people from getting fat and sucking up your precious tax dollars? Limit their daily calories? Require stomach stapling? Just how far?
As for the parent’s guilt, not your problem, at all.
And note that I’ve not taken a position of the issue at hand, i.e., how to encourage vaccinating. I’m only addressing the logic you use to justify your own position, which is to take away my rights as a parent.
“There are non, period.
NOT TRUE!
When I took one of mine for a tetanus because of a head injury, the attending physician asked if my son had any other shots and I said NO WAY! Because of bad reactions to younger ones.
He said that I was a GOOD mother because his nephew had been permanently brain-damaged by the DPT.
The physician my daughter uses doesn’t buy the line either and her national champs have traveled all over the country and maintained excellent health.
If you choose to have you and yours shot up with mercury, aluminum, and fetal tissue from aborted children, go for it. Not for me and mine.
Trump is onto something here. I believe that eventually we’ll learn that some kids are, for genetic reasons or otherwise, predisposed to react poorly to vaccinations. Whether spreading them out will address that is not known for certain, but could well be the case. Other approaches might also be feasible.
Anecdotes should not be used to make a case, but with enough anecdotes you end up with data. And far too many parents, mothers in particular, have noted pronounced changes in their formally normal children in the few day following a vaccination. Something is going on, even if only with a small subset of the population of children undergoing vaccination.
There is absolutely no doubt that vaccinations are lifesavers and should be encouraged. But if the government requires them, over the objections of a parent, whether uninformed or very informed, that’s a step too far.
By the way the esteemed (in here, by many) reporter, Sharyl Atkisson, has done some good reporting on this, particularly in digging out the stories that controvert the government’s assertion that vaccination is safe and nothing to be concerned about. There’s probably a source in here if someone can find it.
This is the most ‘virulent’ topic on FR. I even had one freeper condemn me to hell and “wouldn’t even spit on me as I suffer burning in hell” for daring to say vaccines are a good thing.
Skip them at your risk, but don’t endanger others, nor ask tax payer to pick up bills. You get vacinnated, yes, you likely don’t get illness, but not always. You don’t get vaccinated, you get sick. Further, what about a baby not yet old enough or the vaccine? Now they get exposed due to your ignorance. Stupid. I’m not even having this discussion further. Can’t believe anyone is so stupid. Do you believe in chemical trails in the skies too? That floride is bad? That... whatever. Can’t have a conversation with someone using “conservative” as cover to be just plain ignorant and stupid.
As a practicing Veterinarian, may I offer a somewhat different perspective??? Rabies Vaccination is the only Veterinary vaccination with any legal requirement in most of the US. Although we know that a vaccination series develops immunity and protects our puppies and kittens from a variety of diseases, owners have the right to refuse any vaccinations -— no problem. In fact, they can refuse a legally required Rabies Vaccination -— I am a private citizen with no enforcement authority.
I face the vaccination choice issue on a daily basis. Many times, I get to see the unvaccinated animal back in the clinic within its first two years sick with a disease we might have easily prevented by vaccination -— especially Parvovirus infection, a very serious and often fatal disease. Too many times I have had owners cuss, cry, beg, and offer to pay any amount if I can just promise to save their unvaccinated furbaby that they love so much. Although I always try my best, too many times treatment is unsuccessful for something 90+% preventable.
I have even diagnosed active clinical Rabies in an unvaccinated dog owned by a fellow Veteran, and worked to get him protected ASAP to keep him from becoming infected with that horrific fatal disease. Thankfully it turned out well -— but if his dog had been vaccinated there is a 90+% chance he would never have been exposed at all.
Back when the Parvovirus first mutated from Feline Panleukopenia and jumped into dogs, a completely unprotected species, animals of all ages were infected and many died. Not until an effective vaccine was available, and a significant portion of the population was vaccinated to provide sufficient herd immunity between the active cases, did the Parvo epidemic subside.
Of course, parents should choose for their children -— but they must also be fully willing to accept the personal responsibility for a serious or fatal disease that was preventable, as well as the exposure of other vulnerable children. The fact that so many previously near-eradicated diseases are returning, and spreading through available unprotected populations, is a sad testament to our national immunity.
WE must be careful and cognizant about our choices -— because disease doesn’t care about opinion or politics.
From Gallop...
Additionally, a small segment of the population remains skeptical about the benefits or safety of vaccines -- including 9% who say vaccines are more harmful than the diseases they are designed to protect, and 6% who say certain vaccines can cause autism.
Similar results from Pew...
An 83% majority of the public says vaccines for diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) are safe for healthy children, while about one-in-ten (9%) think such vaccines are not safe. An additional 7% volunteer that they don’t know.
Additionally the author of the article that you posted to start the thread is advocating parental choice to decide whether or not to vaccinate- not spreading them out.
NYorkerInHouston,
The mass media/liberals like to group everyone into two categories and the “spread them out” people get lumped in with the anti-vac group.
I bet the vacc poll has loaded questions. I’m one of those “spread them out” people who are “skeptical about the benefits” of vaccines only because of the way they are administered (ie: Super Shots).
I support parental choice with vaccines.
Mandatory vaccinations is tyrannical.
Well stated. My wife is a vet from the Army service as well. Getting vaccines is a no-brainer, spreading them out is a good point for discussion. It is pure idiocy that people skip vaccines, then force themselves, their children, their pets, and everyone else, to deal with the resulting problems. And the excuses in so-called conservatives the defenses are pathetic and laughable. The pain is not.
US population (2014) 318.9 million
9% of which would be 28.7 million refusing measles vaccine
Measles is highly contagious... from the CDC...
Measles is transmitted primarily from person to person by large respiratory droplets but can also spread by the airborne route as aerosolized droplet nuclei. Infected people are usually contagious from 4 days before until 4 days after rash onset. Measles is among the most contagious viral diseases known; secondary attack rates are >90% in susceptible household and institutional contacts. Humans are the only natural host for sustaining measles virus transmission, which makes global eradication of measles feasible.
Looking at a population that large being unvaccinated but likely getting measles at some point given the high infectivity of the disease would suggest going forward 500,000 annual cases per year (based off of annual cases of 3 million out of a population of 160 million in US prior to vaccinations)... including annually 30,000 cases of measles pneumonia of which 1,500 would have bacterial superinfection, annually 500 cases of measles encephalitis, annually 500 cases of measles acute disseminated encephalomyelitis and annually 500 deaths from measles.
This would result in increased expenditure in the health care system... a cost that would be shouldered by all.
If I find you one, will you change your opinion at all? Not being snarky, I'm just testing to see if evidence would cause you to reconsider your position.
Right!
You sound like a scared-stupid member of the Democrat genre.
When 2 of my kids were already adversely affected by that sh— I would be very negligent to subject others to the roulette of same.
Second, do you have any idea what the content of your vaccines actually IS?
I asked my PA when she offered the flu shot and she couldn’t/wouldn’t tell me but I’m just supposed to have blind faith that this stuff is GOOD for me?
Takes a bigger fool than me.
When the first one of my kids that was badly affected, both the doctor and hospital personnel LIED to me and said that my baby “just had a little cold” that had affected the motor are of her brain. However, when we went to start kindergarten, there were 2 other moms who had had the same horrifying battle for their kid’s lives and were fed the same BS. “THEY” knew there was a bad batch out there and kept using it!
And I’m just to shrug it off and believe it won’t and doesn’t happen again.
I don’t believe in tooth fairies either.
The main purpose of vaccinations is to provide a justification for the baby-butchery going on and very large paychecks for the providers.
If you haven’t researched the bad things that happen in your brain when mercury and aluminum and or mercury are introduced.....but them, maybe in your case, they already have.
Except that if your hypothesis was true, we’d already be seeing 500 deaths a year and we’ve had none (read the article) in the last decade or more.
Therefore, your hypothesis is not true.
What is true is some (note: I said some, not all) kids get sick after they take those shots, it’s just parents don’t put “2 & 2 together”, and you get “unexplained” Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) without examining if a recent vaccination may have caused a reaction that led to death. Since the risks of the shots aren’t known in the medical community, the pathologist wouldn’t attribute the death to them, either.
Which is why informed choice is the right decision in this matter.
This is a non-scientific comparison. The correct comparison is the death or injury rate from the vaccine to the death or injury rate of the disease in unvaccinated populations. The other item overlooked is the reduction in birth defects caused by infection of unvaccinated pregnant women. Boomers are the last generation that had siblings or schoolmates who were born damaged by Rubella.
The percentage of individuals currently in the US that are susceptible (virtually all individuals before 1958 or so likely got measles) and >95% vaccination rates that were present up until 2004 suggests a current susceptible population of only 1% or so. Given that there is no animal host for measles and that the virus was nearly eradicated from the US the rates of measles infections are very low at present the absence of deaths is not surprising... from CDC
Number of measles cases by year since 2010
Year Cases
2010 63
2011 220
2012 55
2013 187
2014 667
2015 188
2016*70
*Cases as of December 31, 2016. Case count is preliminary and subject to change. Data are updated monthly.
In general measles infections have been less than 1 case per million in the US from 1997 to present with 2014 being the notable exception. We haven't seen any deaths but infection rates are in general less than 1 per million at present (0.000001%) not the previous pre-vaccination rate of 1.875-2.5%
The mortality rate for measles is about 10% in undernourished populations around the world.
The low mortality rate in the US during various outbreaks is due to the general good health of the population and the high level of medical technology widely available even in rural areas.
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