Posted on 01/12/2017 5:17:18 PM PST by PeteePie
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>> “I do approve of Israel taking preemptive measures when it deems the need” <<
As do we all, I hope!
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>Assad is just a tinpot dictator. He may come out on top, but he’s no more legitimate than the dictator of North Korea. He’s been elected by no one. His daddy appointed him dictator, like Kim Jong-un. So Assad is legitimate to you and the Nazi Putin, but not to those who think rulers must rule by consent. To you Poroshenko is a neo-Nazi because he opposes the real Nazi, Putin.
The only consist thing about Neo-Cons like yourself is you lust for the blood of Christians and endless promotion of Islam. You spout off about democracy but you always take the side of Nazi’s coup in the Ukraine, the Muslims terrorists in Kosovo, Syria, and Libya, and your master McCain helped create ISIS. For all I know you cheered ISIS on when they where only killing Christians and attacking the Syrian government.
Me too.
Thanks.
You know, I back Israel as if it was on my block.
There are times when I don’t see something as a threat against Israel when others do.
The other day there was mention of nuclear capable missiles in Syria. I didn’t get excited and jump and down over it, because Israel itself has not made it an issue over the last year that it has been known.
This was deemed to be me bowing to Putin vs Israel. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
If Israel does come under threat from Russia, I’m on Israel’s side and it’s enemies can stand before God when they get where they deserve to go.
It's not hard to find, if you bother to look
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Other than the Masoretic scriptures, there is no such thing as a “canon” of scripture.
The Romans were most assuredly not led of the spirit in such an endeavor. Paul clearly placed the authority over the “oracles of God” in the hands of Judah, not the pagans of Rome.
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1973, if we are talking about the elder Assad. The dentist has never been in a position to do so directly, but has used Hizbullah to do so.
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>> “ The Law. The Law says you have a right to defend yourself against those who wish to destroy you.” <<
No, not exactly so.
The Law put it in the hands of the High Priest to take the matter before YHVH.
Our last high priest, Yeshua, is now in heaven with his Father, and he gave us the authority to take all matters directly to the Father in his name.
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Ignoring those and saying "I believe [it] is not the verse usually used to justify the statement in question" without any explanation gives you zero credibility.
It IS Torah. Because you don't want it to be, doesn't invalidate God's Truth.
Genuius Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan on the issue:
Just as one may kill in self-defense, so it is required to kill one who is pursuing or attacking another with murderous intent. Of course, if it is possible, one must save the person being pursued by injuring the attacker. Only when this cannot be done must we have no pity and kill the attacker.Similarly, any assailant who might kill when provoked, such as a burglar or armed robber, must be killed by any bypasser to save the victim. Extending this to include all cases of endangering life, even a young child who does not know better, or an unborn baby, must be killed, since the life of the victim must be saved by any means.
We are taught that rape is equivalent to murder. Therefore, if one is attacking a woman with the intent of raping her, he may be killed to save her as long as he has not completed the act. Regarding a woman being sexually attacked, the Torah states, "Only the rapist shall be put to death… Since he attacked the betrothed girl in the field, even if she had cried out, there would have been no one to come to her aid" (Deut. 22:25, 27), which implies that if a rescuer is present, he may use any means to save her, even if it means killing the attacker. One may similarly save a man from homosexual attack.
http://www.aish.com/jl/i/mn/48932892.html
Torah trumps unsubstantiated opinion and ignorance ("and cannot reasonably be implied from these verses"). The literature is full of exacting explanations of exactly that.
No not just here in general racist say it through your teeth was what I was saying. I will giggle in print now to show my thoughts are better then yours. Hehe. Thanks for contributing to and raising the level of discourse. I like how you lay the ground work so subtly against Israel
I’m so sneaky, laying the groundwork against ARE GRATEST ALLY.
[[Once again, I am not taking issue with Israel’s actions. My point was to make clear that the statement in post #20 (”If someone is coming to kill you, rise against him and kill him first.”) is not found in the Old Testament (or in the New) as some might have wrongly assumed.]]
Once again you are looking at things short sighted .
Go back and read the Old Testament and you will see that it does tell you when it is proper to kill someone . The New Testament also comments on men providing for the families , security is part of that providing too.
God blessed us with a conscience and common sense.
For example you know a guy has a truck loaded full of explosives and chemical weapons and you know his intention is to murder a whole bunch people with it. You sit and do nothing to stop him and you are basically aiding him in killing a bunch of innocent people .
Lets look another situation . I’m in a mall and some one comes in and starts shooting people . Guess what ? I’m going to shoot him because I’m not going let him murder a bunch of innocent people if I can stop him . Saving lives is biblical and God not consider that mass murder my neighbor.
Another example ... I have someone trying to break into my house during the day , I call for the police and try to get my family out of the house and away from him.
That same thief tries that at night I’m putting a bullet in him and calling the police to bring a body bag. I can’t see what is going around the dark and he is not getting in my house to hurt my family . It’s a biblical stance too , go read the Old Testament and this situation is noted in their minus the gun .
This happened to me to . I was alone with my daughter when a man tried to come in window . I hit him multiple times with a baseball bat , I was not letting him in my house. Had he made it through the window I would have killed him , I my a gun in my pocket and I know how to use it .
You should read this this article
It’s very biblical both Old and New Testament wise
The article is quite fitting to the situation we have been talking about too.
https://myonlycomfort.com/2017/01/03/dealing-with-abusive-men/
1973? Well then, let’s pulverize Vietnam today for what they did that year.
Alawite is a sub-sect of the Shiite sect.
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It is not an exact quotation and MJB never said it was.
It does sum up biblical principals when it comes to dealing with evil people.
There some people in this world that are pure and they have to stopped and that is the context of what he was talking about .
He was not talking someone getting angry and mouthing off a threat to kill and you kill him for that .
That link to the article I posted to you it’s a really good article and you should read it because it makes great points about dealing with evil people.
As Christians we can not make excuses for evil people , there are some people that must be dealt with and passivity doesn’t deal with them. When evil men(or women) are let run rampant and people make excuses for them you end up a society like the Palestinians . Evil men run that the land they live on because the world rewards them . People who live there and speak against the wrong they do are drug behind cars through the streets , they are beaten and murdered , meanwhile their society becomes worse and worse and they start teaching their own children to be murderers .
Read the article it makes great points , really .
You're unhinged from reality. You don't know the subject of IAF ROE, but you spout off your supposition as if you did. Then, you change the subject to your worst nightmare, the fact that the people of Ukraine rebelled against a Putin puppet after the puppet started shooting peaceful demonstrators. Then, you justify Putin's invasion of Ukraine despite the fact that the Ukranians had already elected a new government. You childishly swallow whole hog Putinista propaganda that Ukraine is a Nazi state because you're unable to reason it out that Putin simply wanted to steal a peaceful neighbor's land.
You do know that one can protect Christians and others without being a Nazi, or even a pseudo nationalist president for life like Putin, right? Ask your advisors in Moscow what to say when you reply. Tell them a Neo-con is picking on Putin and you're need some more claptrap about Nazis and neo-Cons and tigers and bears, oh my.
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