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To: Nero Germanicus
Forgery is a crime and no criminal investigation has ever been undertaken.

Finally you state a fact then run. Thanks for that.

178 posted on 01/13/2017 6:15:47 AM PST by itsahoot (Five words I want to hear, I will build that wall.)
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To: itsahoot

Aw, I just KNEW that you missed me!
If by “run” you mean put the kids to bed and turn in for the night, I plead guilty.

Here are some more facts that you might consider:
1) Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution explicitedly makes public records a state’s right.
“Full Faith and Credit shall be given in EACH State to the public Acts, RECORDS, and judicial Proceedings of every other STATE. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, RECORDS and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”
2) Congress has passed laws to implement the “Full faith and credit clause”:
Federal statutory law (28 USC § 1738) provides that:
Such Acts, RECORDS and judicial proceedings or COPIES thereof, so authenticated, shall have the same full faith and credit in every court within the United States and its Territories and Possessions as they have by law or usage in the courts of such State, Territory or Possession from which they are taken.
3) The U.S. Supreme Court and Congress jointly established the Federal Rules of Evidence. Two of those rules relate directly to Barack Obama’s birth certificate:
Federal Rule of Evidence 902: “Evidence that is self-authenticating” and Federal Rule 1005: “Copies of Public Records To PROVE Content”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_902
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_1005

When you put all of the above together, the reason that there was never any serious legal challenge to Obama’s birth certificate is because whatever the state of Hawaii says is an official birth vital record of that state MUST be accepted in every other jurisdiction. Because Obama’s birth certificate has an official Seal and a certification signature, it is “self-authenticated.”
In addition, the state of Hawaii has issued Certified Letters of Verification for Obama’s birth certificate.
Photo of the official seal:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2013/07/birth_certificate_1.jpg
Photo of the certifying signature:
http://origin.factcheck.org/Images/image/birth_certificate_images/birth_certificate_9.jpg
Copies of the birth certificate with the seal and certification signature can and have been used in courts of law to prove the content of the orignal vital record and that is permissible under federal law and the laws of every state.
Obama has known since June of 2007, when he first ordered a copy of his birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health that his copies were all that he would ever need. He used this “issue” to embarrass, denigrate and force Republicans to defend him, which many did.
“Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, period. Hillary Clinton started the birther issue, I ended it.”—Donald J. Trump, 9/15/16

There are only two pieces of data on a birth certificate that relate to Article II, Section 1 eligibility: place of birth and date of birth.

Note: I am NOT talking about the digitally reproduced PDF image of Obama’s birth certificate as seen on the whitehouse.gov web site.
You cannot see the official seal on a PDF image on a computer screen. That Seal (along with the certification signature) is what make a birth vital record legitimate.
I am talking about actual hard copies of the birth certificate that have been sent directly from the Hawaii Department of Health to courts and judges.


179 posted on 01/13/2017 10:42:52 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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