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[Fantasywriter]

What I wrote is true. The same address listed by Polk for Anna Obama is listed by the University of Washington for Stanley Ann. No factor of belief/faith comes into play. It’s just a simple fact.

[elengr]

I think Fred’s point is that the images of the transcript may not actually have been produced by the U of W, but I may be wrong. However, actual transcripts would be much more reliable than 50 year old memories and supposing Ann used the name Anna is perfectly possible. Either way, things don’t line up very well. I hope Trump can unlock a few secrets.

[Fantasywriter]

The transcripts that include the four classes Stanley Ann took at UoW are official, and listed on the UoH website. I don’t recall it being very difficult to locate them back when I was researching all this. With a few clicks, you could no doubt find and review them for yourself. UoH is very proud of Ann Dunham, and devotes quite a few pages to her history and accomplishments.

[Fred Nerks]

You believe it most likely that a woman named Ann S. Obama and a woman named Anna Obama both occupied the same apartment?

...unlike you, who comments purely on your opinions, whereas I slavishly provide links from numerous articles and images as often as possible, I don't twist words or put words in the mouths of others. I stick to the facts as much as is possible under very difficult circumstances...

and the answer is NOT two women, a COMPOSITE of two women.

It IS possible that the woman in the directory in Hawaii at the Pratt/Dunham address was someone renting a room named Ann S Obama, Student. A person the Kenyan had met at the university, while he lived in poor single accommodation within walking distance of the University of Manoa. That would identify Ann S Obama as the shy young high school girl Abercrombie described. Ann S Obama, (note, she wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham in the Polk in 1960-1961) was quite possibly enrolled from FALL 1960, then dropped out (the letter from the university tells us nothing about how long she was there) and after she found herself pregnant, around the end of 1960 OR MORE LIKELY JANUARY 1961 she was moved off the island with the promise that when the father completed his final year, he would take her to Kenya with him, just as she told Mary. But he didn't show up, did he? He went to Boston in the summer of 1962, and it's possible he took his little boy with him, because he told his student associates at Harvard that he visited his son several times...which is likely what persuaded the Harvard student advisor to believe he must have had another wife in Cambridge. Because he certainly wasn't in a position to go visiting his little black boy in Hawaii...where he wasn't.

Those two children were TOGETHER. They were photographed together.

And no amount of telling or insisting that they had the same father is going to work. One is barely six or seven months older than the other. One is the child Stanley Ann Dunham showed Susan in August, the older one is the child Mary babysat in January, the child the mother ANNA OBAMA discussed with the Salvation Army about adopting out in April, 1961. The myth is comprised of two women and two children, and until you allow for that, another five years could go by with the same get-you-nowhere results.

I suggest you think long and hard about what it looks like. Go back to the start. Anna Obama and the Kenyan student were parents to one child. What you need to find is the parents of the other...all Stanley Ann Dunham was in those early years, was a courier and a nanny.

[Fred Nerks]

You better start putting up some links to substantiate what you say. I think it was Mercer Island that is very proud of Stanley Ann Dunham, there is a scholarship in her name.

http://stanleyanndunhamfund.org/

[Fred Nerks]

SOURCES, THE USUAL SUSPECTS.

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Barack Obama moves to Seattle in August or early September 1961.

http://www.historylink.org/File/8926

Sources: HistoryLink.org Online Encyclopedia of Washington State History, “Stanley Ann Dunham, mother of Barack Obama, graduates from Mercer Island High School in 1960” (by Phil Dougherty), http://www.historylink.org (accessed February 8, 2009); Charlotte LeFevre, “Barack Obama: From Capitol Hill to Capitol Hill,” CapitolHillTimes.com, January 9, 2009, website accessed January 10, 2009 (http://www.capitolhilltimes.com/); Jenny Neyman, “Obama Baby Sitter Awaits New Era — Soldotna Woman Eager For Former Charge’s Reign,” The Redoubt Reporter, January 20, 2009, website accessed January 31, 2009 (http://redoubtreporter.blogspot.com/2009/01); Charlotte LeFevre and Philip Lipson, “Baby Sitting Barack Obama On Seattle’s Capitol Hill,” Seattle Museum of the Mysteries, January 28, 2009, website accessed February 2, 2009 (http://www.seattlechatclub.org/museum); Stanley Ann Dunham Obama transcript, University of Washington Office of Public Records and Open Public Meetings, Seattle, Washington; Phil Dougherty interview of Maxine Box, February 5, 2009, Seattle, Washington; Phil Dougherty interview of Susan Blake, January 18, 2009, Seattle Washington; Phil Dougherty interview of Tony Nugent, January 13, 2009, Seattle, Washington; Tony Nugent emails to Phil Dougherty, January 19, January 23, January 31, February 2, and February 7, 2009, in possession of Phil Dougherty, Sammamish, Washington.
Note: This essay was updated on March 21, 2009.

[Fred Nerks]

Thanks for your comments, I think I’ve posted enough on this thread, if you care to go back to the beginning. No use taking it further, whilst it hasn’t penetrated that what we are looking at is more than likely the blending of two women and two children.
In the introduction to the first edition of ‘Dreams’ which of course I do NOT have, I believe the author actually writes that some characters are composites. That book isn’t an autobiography, it’s a novel.

cheers

[Fantasywriter]

Here is some very interesting info re Stanley Ann’s UoW studies:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-stanley-ann-dunham-began-studies-in-september-1961-not-august/

[Fantasywriter]

There’s no need to get snippy. It accomplishes nothing. Adults should be capable of polite, fact-based discussions. If you prefer rudeness, you can have that exchange with someone other than me.

[Fred Nerks]

Gladly.

[Fantasywriter]

I’m sure you’ll have no difficulty in finding people who prefer rude to polite discussions. Those who lack facts and logic generally resort to rudeness, nastiness, etc.—and they’re always in plentiful supply.

[little jeremiah]

The link below is the thread in which the light bulb about SAD not being the mother of Zero went off in my head. Made it quite clear.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2702976/posts

[Fred Nerks]

Unlike some freepers who shall remain nameless, there aren’t too many who would bother to read a 2K plus comments thread. But there is a reasonable summary on the last page.
Remember the good old days...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts

9,602 comments

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts

12,010 comments

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts

1,892 comments - and the feathers were flying! They put us in the ‘smokey back room’ to prevent us from creating havoc!

[Fred Nerks]

OK, now for a little light relief, you get to see DrRJP’s cat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7o4FMutJpY

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Then you get to watch this again, from DrRJP’s youtube channel, long-time freepers will know him as Ron Polland or Polarik:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8&list=PLwDnebP1khQxZPHIMbQB1ZMDCCPoy8T9f&index=3

And after you’ve watched the video and are wondering what the heck...then you get to read what he’s written on the page under it. He’s probably not 100% on the ball, but it’s close enough to make sense, if you’ve been keeping your eyes open:

Uploaded on Aug 7, 2011

Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama: a Black Orthodox Sunni Muslim father and a White Lebanese Christian mother.

One, a famous Civil Rights Activist and former Leader of the Nation of Islam who left the NOI to start his own, true Muslim Organization known as the Muslim Mosque, Inc. and a Pan-African group called the Organization of Afro-American Unity in the furtherance of African Nationalism and for the betterment of African-Americans whom he planned to have convert to Islam.

Malcolm X changed his name to El Hajj Malik el-Shabazz and became a member of the Lebanese Muslim Brotherhood while attending the American University of Beirut and Al-Ahzar University to study the mystical (and more fundamental) aspects of Sunni Islam including the sects of Salafism and Wahabbism.

Malcolm/Malik was a close, personal friend of King Faisal but who was more like a son to the Ruler of Saudi Arabia. Malcolm first met Faisal in 1959 when he was still a Prince and heir to the throne of King Saud.

Varelie Sarruf - best known for her role in the film, “Firelight” and also her one-time role in the British TV spy series, “The Avengers” that became a major hit in America thanks to its quirky male lead, Patrick MacNee, as the bowler-hatted John Steed, and his beautiful, long-haired brunette assistant, Diana Rigg, as Emma Peel - forever etched in the memories of males everywhere for the slinky, skin-tight black leotard she always wore and which became her trademark.

Long before Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton became the first in a series of strong female actresses, Diana Rigg was the original, beautiful, ass-kicking heroine who became the prototype for every actress who ever played the role of a sexy, secret agent who could beat the crap out of any man she wanted.

Quite different from the roles that Valerie played. Val was the only child of an even more famous father by the name of Fouad Sarruf (Google his name). Valerie went onto becoming a well-known actress of stage, screen, TV, and radio as a mainstay of the BBC network.

Valerie’s relative, Alexander Sarruf, became the famous, dashing Egyptian actor known as Alexander D’Arcy.

The relationship between Malcolm and Valerie and the “love child” they produced was kept a secret from everyone who knew them - except for King Faisal who arranged for Malcolm’s only son and heir to be educated in the ways of Islam and to carry on Malcolm’s work after his father was assassinated in Harlem on February 1965.- a legacy that included Malcolm’s deepest desire to see America become an Islamic nation beginning with the 22 million African-Americans he sought to organize.

A surrogate family to provide for his son’s care was also arranged by Faisal and friends.

Malcolm’s last words to King Faisal and to the members of his Muslim Mosque, Inc. and the Sunni cleric who helped him convert to Orthodox Islam, was

“What I have put into motion can never be stopped.”

What he meant by that statement has never been interpreted for public consumption. Certainly not for White Christian Americans to know. But he did say it, nonetheless. The support for it can be found on the Internet as long as it stays open and free.

The evidence corroborating these events came from sources in Egypt that are no longer accessible following the upheaval that took place during the Arab Spring and the ouster of Mubarak and the (rigged) election of the Muslim Brotherhood operative, Mohammed Morsi, as the new Egyptian President who promised the people democratic reforms, but the day after his election, he tore up the new constitution and instituted Sharia Law. Millions of Egyptian citizens rose up against him and deposed Morsi with the help of the military (who always had a role in ruling Egypt).

The new President and Supreme Leader of the Egyptian Armed Forces, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, was, himself, a noted military leader who graduated from the Egyptian Military Academy.and US Army War College.

Unlike Obama, he knows who and what ISIS is and the threat they now pose to his country. After Morsi’s ouster, Sisi declared the Muslim Breotherhood to be a terrorist organization and outlawed them, just as Mubarrak and Abdul Nasser had done before him.

If you want to find out who Obama really is and who he represents, I have no doubt that Sisi would tell you if he could. But since Egypt depends on military aid from America, he is not going to get on Obama’s bad side - even though Obama has called for his removal and the re-instatement of Morsi.

He may be saving it as his ace in the hole. Meanwhile, I think that most of us know for who and for what Obama stands. The “political winds” right now could not be any uglier.

Pray for America. Pray for Peace. Pray for Deliverance.

[Fred Nerks]

And then, if there are still freepers here amongst the living, there’s this:

http://awordinyourear.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/obamas-real-mums-family-tree.html

And now I’m outa here.

I’m finally reading Dr Zhivago. I’ve just finished War and Peace. Both are light weight compared to this.

[Candor7]

Excellent , accurate summary.

Fred has done a great job of sleuthing here.

Now who are the parents of the “other child?” One day we will know, by continuing to unceasingly ask the question, that’s very important. If we knew who the other parents were, this could unravel a lot of the “mystery.”

The other question would be why would a young woman nanny/courier like Stanley Anne adopt BHO/BS ? There likely is more motivation than we know.And where would the adoption have taken place? The record of adoption proceedings , if they still exist, would reveal much.

[Fantasywriter]

Jerome Corsi:

Instead of staying in Hawaii with her husband and new baby, Ann Dunham began classes at the University of Washington in Seattle in September 1961 for the autumn semester, less than two months after Obama was born. WND confirmed this date with Madolyne Lawson of the Office of Public Records at the University of Washington.

Ann Dunham took up residence in Seattle at 516 13th Ave. E., according to the 1961 Seattle Polk directory. This residence was torn down in 1985 and is now replaced by twin Capital Park residential towers; the Seattle Polk Directory listing is for a “Mrs. Anna Obama,” a variant of her name that most researchers have considered to be Ann Dunham.

Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2009/07/105341/#VUcDgtrBzBfdlRLd.99

[Fantasywriter]

 ’However, although both stories are quite possible, Fred’s version seems more likely to me.’

It has also been stated that the ‘Anna-is-not-a-variant-of-Ann,’ theory is more damaging to Obama than the destruction of the linchpin/foundation upon he built his national career. If this is true, then why has no proponent of this theory EVER gone public with it? Why has no attempt EVER been made to contact or correct Jack Cashill, Corsi, and everyone else who’s written on this subject? Why haven’t the strongest facts and evidence in favor of it been assembled into a powerful article, and earnest efforts made to publish it?

Talking big about this theory on a thread none of the major conservative Obama researchers will ever read accomplishes nothing. If there’s anything to the theory, it needs a larger, more significant exposure. If not, then stop denigrating people like Cashill, Corsi, and hundreds of others, who’ve looked at all the facts and evidence and reached a different conclusion.

[Brown Deer]

Have you made any effort to contact Cashill, Corsi, and the countless other authors whose work has appeared on WND, American Thinker, etc.

I know for a fact that much of her work has been shared with Corsi. And I can say without a doubt, that some of us know more about exactly was said by Mary Toutonghi, in that extensive series of interviews, than you will ever know.

[Fantasywriter]

What was Corsi’s response?

In the quote I posted, Corsi says Stanley Ann lived at the Anna address, and that he and most researchers believe Ann Obama and Anna Obama to be one and the same. Has he ever walked that back?