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To: Alas Babylon!

So when one side says without proof and based on suspicion alone that the election was illegitimate that’s smart and when another side says without proof and based on suspicion alone that the election was illegitimate that’s evil.

Basically what the far right and far left have in common is exactly that: “I’m right, you’re evil.” That is the parallelism that means that each side feels justifies being entitled to entirely different sets of stylized “facts” than the other side’s and anything that conflicts with a simplistic narrative of one side good, other side evil is proof that the institution purveying even a slightly more nuanced view is ipso facto on the “other” side.


128 posted on 12/14/2016 11:09:09 AM PST by babble-on
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To: babble-on

No, because in this case we either want the laws followed or want the existing laws strengthened.

According to the law, it’s illegal to come into the USA without going through border controls and it is illegal to stay beyond one’s visa. Are you truly going to claim there is no evidence of this?

So the next question for me is, given that there are MILLIONS of illegal aliens in this country, did any of them vote illegally? Can they? Well, in California, illegals are given Californian driver licenses, and automatically registered to vote in California. The only thing to stop them from doing so is their own conscience. The SAME conscience that did not stop them from coming here illegally in the first place. And then two weeks before the election, the President gave a speech to California illegal aliens telling them that “No one would prosecute you for voting”.

And Trump already said he was going to enforce the existing border control and immigration laws.

If this doesn’t warrant a look see into the voting records I surely don’t know what would.

However, claims that Stein made were not substantiated by anyone. The election results were close in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, but no one was claiming fraud. Her lawyers only argued there COULD have been fraud. And no one asked for Colorado, New Hampshire or Nevada’s very close votes to be recounted, because Hillary squeaked by wins in them. So yes, I call that bullsh1t.

Julian Assange has already said the DNC Wikileaks were sent to him by an informant, not a hacker. Yet now certain journalists say in one story (Wash Post) that a CIA report exists that says this information was gathered by Russian Government hackers? Hmmmm... So far, the CIA hasn’t even officially said anything on this. So yes, I call bullsh1t.

If you want to make this an issue about two peas in the same moral pod, go ahead, but I say you are wrong.

In any case, now that Trump has won, he can start enforcing the law against illegal entry into the country.

He can ask Congress to pass a set of laws providing everyone with a FREE national photo ID to vote—if they want it—but no voting without proper ID, whether the national card or an existing photo ID...

He can ask Congress for a national database of registered voters tied to Social Security death certification.

He can ask the Congress to pass a law that further secures any type of voting machine and calibrates it in a procedure that includes all major political parties to ensure the machine’s integrity.

NONE of these laws means a do over of the elections that have passed, just a way to further protect their integrity going into the future.


131 posted on 12/14/2016 11:55:15 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: babble-on

Except, we have proof. If you don’t believe that illegals voted in the election, look at Los Angeles County.

2000 to 2016, the population increased at a steady rate.

2000 to 2012, the voter total increased about 20,000 each election cycle.

In 2016, California enacted an illegal law that allows illegal aliens to get drivers licenses (violation of federal law and will eventually get overturned). The process was that they would get a license, and with every drivers license, the DMV would put the name, address and other basic identifying information in the automated system to register the driver to vote. Then, according to the law, the DMV was to send the documentation for each driver to the Secretary of State’s office to process. The head of the DMV said that the DMV would NOT be sending the information to the SoS for them to remove illegal voter registrations because the SoS office hadn’t given them proper procedures.

So, with that, the difference in voters, despite a steady growth in residents, increased not the 20,000 that had happened in the previous few years. You might thing that a 2 1/2 times increase would be enough to set off alarm bells. It wasn’t. And it wasn’t 2 1/2 times. It was a 39 1/2 times increase, at 790,000. That should have alarmed EVERYONE. But, no, there was no notice.

Since you seem to be understanding of the liberal mindset, do you think that you might be able to understand and explain that in a way that literally does not include illegal aliens voting? I’ve looked at the numbers every way I could and can’t figure it out.


136 posted on 12/16/2016 11:05:39 AM PST by spacewarp (FreeRepublic, Rush's show prep since foundation.)
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