Posted on 11/23/2016 9:01:23 PM PST by kevcol
LOL!! That's funny. Well, any school that sticks to that mentality will be okay. But from what I have seen, a lot of them can't stick to it once the money gets dangled in front of their noses.
Yep. If they resist the lure of the voucher money and stick to their values, they'll be okay.
Well, there shouldn't be any.
Will go back and review soon how SC equates into CONTROL over Private.
That's the problem with public funding....strings attached.
I like the "tuitional tax credit" method. You spend your money, and just like mortgage interest....you write it off.
Yeah, I know. But here's the problem with comparing education to the private sector: if you run a business, you have choices. If you have a vendor that sells you rotten produce or defective parts, you can stop dealing with that vendor. But with education, the "produce" is children, and we cannot refuse them no matter how damaged, rotten, or defective they may be. (And let me tell you, crackheads and meth moms produce some pretty damaged offspring.)
So imagine running a business where you have to use whatever materials you are sent, no matter what. Now imagine that if your workers cannot magically restore rotten fruit or fix melted electrical parts, you fire them. Okay, go ahead, but it won't matter who you hire, the problem is the material.
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Oh, definitely. But it’s really quite rare. Even here in Los Angeles, the Belly of the Beast, most teachers do not want this kind of disruption, because it makes the kids all hyper and hard to deal with for days afterward. Even our liberal Hispanic administration was doing everything they could to keep our students from going out there demonstrating and getting into traffic.
Maybe it used to be rare but go online and do some checking. You might be surprised. Look up University of Florida, University of North Carolina, and Betkeley while looking up protesters. You might be in for a surprise.
Thank you for asking! You are the first. But to answer your question honestly? This is a culture problem. Let me explain:
Currently, we have a culture, particularly among the Black and Latino population, where we have convinced them that society owes them everything. We have convinced them (and it didn't take much) that education is a RIGHT, not a privilege. When it was a privilege, people strove for it eagerly. The minute it became a "right," people sat back arrogantly and demanded that it be deposited in their laps.
And almost immediately, many of them lost the notion that any effort on their part was required. It's a right! Just drop it in my hands.
So now, here in Los Angeles, the kids show up in the morning and we serve them free breakfast. They quickly adapted to this, and now they pick through free food with their noses wrinkled up, and they want to know why they don't get BETTER free food.
Then throughout the rest of the day, whatever they need is provided for them: books, computers, handouts, movies, overhead projector, sound system, classrooms heated and cooled, gymnasium, sports equipment, teachers... and they treat us like machines. They fully expect us to skip lunch so we can sit in our rooms and wait to see if they need anything. I don't, but they think I should.
We have custodians to clean up after them. Many of them don't even bother throwing trash into the trashcan. If it lands on the floor near it, they'll shrug and walk away if I don't pounce (which I do because I'm a clean freak.)
The only things we expect them to provide themselves are binders, paper, and pencils. Many of them have, however, refused to bring any because they are accustomed to being given EVERYTHING. So when I say "take out a piece of paper," they just look at me with a cold stare and do nothing. They resent being asked to bring their own paper. They don't want to unzip their backpacks. That's effort.
This is the mentality of the kids. Now of course, you have to ask yourself, where did they get that attitude? Partly from society, that has convinced them that everything should be delivered into their laps. Partly from their parents, who have completely abdicated from any responsibility to educate their kids. The parents I deal with are very nice people, usually. Even the gang-bangers are really quite polite (it's bizarre: I've had men with tattoos on their faces holding the door for me and smiling... they are really, really nice) BUT... they are helpless about dealing with their children. They think their job is to feed and clothe the child. Period. Everything else is up to us.
Meanwhile, they buy their kids every toy they can (with the money they didn't have to spend on food and books): iPads and iPods and iPhones and give them spending money for junk food and... they don't even seem to care what the kid wears. You'd be amazed at the number of kids who wear clothes to school with pot leaves or naked women on them. I ask, did your parents see that? "Miss, my mom BOUGHT it!"
They also hate reading, by the way. Why should they read? Technology has become a world of pictures, movies, videos, games... the written word is too difficult. Just tell me, just show me the movie. Deep thoughts are of no interest anyway... show me a video of a kid falling off his skateboard! That's what they want, and remember... they are convinced that whatever they want, they have a right to have.
Now, this attitude, as you can image, translates into children who have no concept of effort. They can barely write a paper, and if you think you can have them write half the paper today and then bring it in tomorrow to finish it, forget it. They lost it when they went home. They shoved it into their pocket instead of putting it into their folder (too much effort), it went through the wash, and now it's gone. Start over? Oh, they can't remember what we did yesterday, can you explain again? (If yes, what about the ones who are ready and waiting to move on? If no, okay, that means the kids have free time!)
And of course, this sort of deliberate, foolish failure is HILARIOUS to the kids. I mean, the dumber they act, the more laughter they get from the other kids.
In this milieu, failure has no consequences. If the kid fails, he doesn't care. He still has food, iPad, iPhone, and cool clothes with pot leaves on them. That failing grade means absolutely zero. Some of the parents don't even know how to read the report cards, or never see them because the kid gets to the mailbox before the parent. So many parents enact no punishment if the kid fails. If the school systems held kids to the kinds of standards we had in, say, the 1950s, we'd have a bottleneck of kids at the 3rd grade level. We'd have 3rd graders with beards selling weed in the bathroom.
So whom can you pressure? Only the teachers. The parents shrug their shoulders helplessly, the kids laugh in your face, so let's turn to the teachers, because we are the only ones who have any sense of responsibility. So the atmosphere is, if the child has failed, it must be the teachers' fault. We provided every material item they needed, but now we need to provide MOTIVATION. They don't even bring that to the table now. We have to insert the motivation into their psyches for them, along with the free breakfast. We must be more entertaining, more engaging, more "supportive". We are already holding their heads up like newborn babies, and they are not developing any muscles to take over this function themselves. If anything, they get weaker all the time.
The only real answer is to change our entire culture from this coddling, nanny state to the kind of pitiless Spartan culture that leaves half of humanity on the street to starve, and then hunts them for food.
I'm ready to do this, personally. I suspect BBQ sauce would cover the taste. I hope to retire before I bite some kid.
Great post. It ought to be incumbent upon every citizen of the United States to be able to define the difference between a right and a privilege before they are ever admitted to the levers of self-government, namely the voting booth.
Oh, I know it happens. But it’s still statistically rare. In my 13 years in L.A., it’s only happened twice, and even then most teachers were doing their best both times to keep their own students out of it.
Great pick as usual. If a pick terrifies libs it is great.
I agree with tax credits etc...its just that I suspect the Commie Ed people are noticing that home school is growing by some 6% annually-they need to get all kids on the plantation. I’m understanding that CHOICE is the vehicle...
I will study this more.
Riffraff into private schools!! I know what you mean. My private high school wanted to be a small school football powerhouse, but it ruined the school. The school almost bankrupt itself. The school’s football dream cause problems with the area, due to shoplifting and rapes. The school went from 95% white to 60% Blacks. I am not giving them $$$ because they are not for students with learning disabilities (I was there for Speech therapy).
The teachers and their self serving unions joined together with government to create this socialist hell for us that legitimized single parenthood, drugs, no real responsibility, father hatred, mother manipulation and faith in God repudiation.
Now with fathers on restraining orders, mothers on percoset and xanax, boys on ritalin and girls on anti depression meds like zoloft (after referral to the pervert school guidance counselor) to ‘level them out’... we now have a socialist paradise run by socialist educators who believe more education is the solution... and that within the culture caused our manifest problems to begin with.
The union of FAMILY and God is the missing element, and teachers have been picking at that union as if they are “better than” the children’s parents who back in the day, used to work and support their families as the a priori fact of their life... or the God who created the child to being with, within that family context on purpose... and THEY the teachers are ones who want to be honored by their peers of “feel good condom training” sex ed prophets, and see themselves as supreme teachers of the “all of us must have equal results in life”. These teachers are in fact the chief morons and members of this nation’s teachers unions.
Trade schools and following daddy into “metal work” or “engineering” trades... is passe... all children must be placed under debt at some party school til they are 26, and even higher education after the “equality of failure” police who run the public education scam... are done making sure that ‘no child gets ahead’, via the ‘no child is left behind’ scam.
Public education must be overthrown. Women must return to the home and raise their children and men must work to support their families... the socialist dream of all people BEING equal by force... has proven itself a failure. Those who espouse it are troubled now, because their entire belief system is being proven dead wrong... an abject failure.
Teachers have been the core of this problem for a long time. Parents submitting their children to a public education system run by socialist ideologues lies at the root. And parents who laid down to that system, were failed by the faith community who surrendered to the secular world... the realms of education , faith, morals and the ethics that join them altogether.
I sincerely hope that we take a D-10 to the current system. recreate trade schools and engineering courses for those with the inclination, start to teach home economics - and bare foot pregnancy, child rearing while we eliminate all “humanity studies” with their snowflake fake courses, because these items are NOT education, but indoctrination to failure.
Time to change.
My deplorable children are getting a better education at home than at school. Public schools are Stockholm Syndrome for your kids.
Well, if more conservatives would become teachers, they could change it. But most conservatives refuse, so we have only ourselves to blame.
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Sheff vs Oniel is useless...The only thing that happen was suburban schools got saddled with inner cities kids. When it happened my gf (at the time, not Mrs. DeplorableAmerican1776) and her kids had to go from a neighborhood school to a school in a majority black suburb (Bloomfield). We looked at a Christian school. A few months later she got transferred to Maine. Thank goodness.
Very true...Homeschooling is the best...
As I suspected, much of the answer lies outside of the school. It’s very depressing....I don’t know how you do it, but thank you.
It's not my job to "fix" compulsory education, nor to educate someone else's child. Anyone who frames the question in that manner will never have my support.
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