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To: politicianslie; Oatka; SaxxonWoods; Fiji Hill; Big Red Badger; EveningStar; stockpirate; ...

As you seem to understand (if I read your post correctly) there was no conspiracy, and year after year, the same things persist in the face of the truth. I even went through a period of my life where I considered the possibility. There are so many flaws with the common conspiracy themes that they become laughable and ridiculous when viewed in the light of what is known. (All of this is separate from the point of our government lying to us-we know factually this happens, especially in this administration. But the Kennedy Assassination is not the thing to hang our hat on here)

Oswald was not a “bum shot” and whoever says he was doesn’t know what he is talking about.

He scored a 215 out of 250 as a Marine on a range, which makes him above average in the USMC at the time, and that is pretty good company to be “above average” in. And he was taking the gun out and practicing with it on a routine basis.

People say that was an impossible shot, but it wasn’t, even when using iron sights. Several different experts classified the second shot as a “very easy” shot, and the third shot as an “easy” shot.

The Mannlicher-Carcano rifle he used, though inexpensive by today’s standards, was at least as accurate as the M-14, the current infantry weapon in use at the time by the USMC, and was also being used by the Italian national shooting team. So it wasn’t an inaccurate piece of junk. And they had several people who shot the exact same gun who could reproduce or better the shooting results and time frame achieved by Oswald.

People say that there was no way anyone could get off three accurate shots in 8.6 seconds which is the time frame from the first shot to the last, especially if it took 2.3 seconds to work the action, pick up the target, aim and fire. They forget that the first round was already in the chamber, and for the first shot, he could take all the time in the world to aim and pull the trigger before the clock started, which gave him nearly four seconds for each shot.

They say it is impossible for Connally to have been wounded by the same bullet that went in Kennedy’s upper back and came out his throat, but that because those people never took the time to look at the actual geometry, and that Connally was turned in his jump seat (which was NOT directly in front of the President, but below and to the centerline of the vehicle. When the first shot that missed rang out, Connally (who was a hunter, and knew just what the sound of a high powered rifle was like) twisted in his seat to look over his right shoulder, which exposed his right side where he was actually hit. (all of this is completely verifiable by looking at the Zapruder film, which you can see on the Internet) The bullet didn’t do a stupid “U-Turn” in the middle of the air.

If you do the geometry at the moment the second bullet struck Kennedy and Connally, you can take three points to make a line, beginning at the entrance wound in Connally’s chest, draw back to the exit wound in the front of Kennedy’s throat, and even back to the entrance wound in Kennedy’s upper back, and that line created, with the geometry of the car, goes all the way back to the window in the Texas Schoolbook Depository where the sniper’s nest was found.

Oswald was not an FBI or CIA agent. Ruby was not a mobster sent to kill him. The mob didn’t do it, the CIA didn’t do it, Lyndon Johnson didn’t do it.

Oswald was a leftist Marxist, screwball who thought he was doing something that needed doing because he lived in his own little world of Oswald-rationality.

I got all of this from the book “Reclaiming History” by Vincent Bugliosi (I know, he is a leftist, but he is right on this. For those of you who might not recognize the name, he prosecuted the Manson murders, which was, by no means, a “done deal”. He also was the prosecutor in the “Oswald trial” that took place in 1986 sponsored by some English television company, and he convincingly won that.)

In the foreword of his book, he gave this following anecdote which summed it all up: Back around 2000, he was giving a lecture to a large audience (in the hundreds) of high powered attorneys, and he posed a question to them: “How many of you believe that there was a conspiracy to murder JFK, and that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone?” The response was nearly every single hand in the room was raised.

He then said (I have to paraphrase, don’t have the book) “What if I could convince all of you, in sixty seconds or less, that you are not thinking correctly on the subject?” There was some commotion and loud murmuring from the crowd, and one of them said aloud: “We don’t think you can do it.”

So Bugliosi turned to someone on the stage with him and said “Okay, start timing”. He turned to the crowd and said “How many of you have ever read the Warren Commission Report?”

Only one or two hands went up. Bugliosi said: “As lawyers, isn’t it vitally important, perhaps most important, to weigh all the facts available and to hear both sides of the story before you come to a conclusion? I once had a country lawyer say to me, no matter how thin I make my flapjacks, there are still two sides to them.” He turned to the timer and said asked how much time was left. The timer said twenty seconds.

There wasn’t a single peep of dissent from the audience of assembled lawyers. He later said he wasn’t even questioning whether anyone had read the entire Warren Commission Report (all volumes) but only the summary.

Bugliosi’s point is that the JFK assassination was the most investigated crime in history, for a crime in which with the circumstances, witnesses and physical evidence at hand, he could have decisively convicted the perpetrator in few days under any other circumstances. He acknowledged that there are some inconsistencies, but as he mentioned in each of his other books I have read (”Helter Skelter” and “The Sea Will Tell”) there is no analysis of any event that does not have inconsistencies. The question is always whether those inconsistencies have enough relevance to counterbalance the solid evidence.


23 posted on 11/24/2016 7:47:09 AM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: rlmorel

As You said,
Oswald did what needed Doing.

Lee Harvey Oswald never varied from His statement;
“I did Not shoot the President,
I am a Patsy.”

One would think Lee would be taking credit and boasting of His Great accomplishment.

That’s always bothered me.


24 posted on 11/24/2016 8:10:14 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: rlmorel

It’s my understanding the Warren report never said why Oswald did it.


27 posted on 11/24/2016 8:34:20 AM PST by jmacusa (Election 2016. The Battle of Midway for The Democrat Party.)
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To: rlmorel

When I visited the Plaza as an adult and saw the actual distance(s) involved from the window to the car I was laughing that they called it a “difficult shot”. Easy shot for any Marine out of basic and a chip shot at a moving deer from a stand. That kinda put me off of the conspiracy of the decade - Mob, LBJ, Castro, etc claims.


39 posted on 11/24/2016 2:39:15 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Elections have consequences." Barack Obama)
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To: rlmorel

I’ve read 45-50 books on the topic. The one thst has not been refutted still is Six Seconds in Dallas. The tramps arrested in the boxcar, as Bob Dylan wrote, “smoke pouring out of a boxcar door”.

Three of the six bums arrested were involved in the Watergate buglery.

Idiot wind blowning thru our minds to the Capitol, it’s a wonder that we still know how to breath.

BTW the motorcycle cops tape showed the shots were fired from two directions and thete were four shots not three.

My position is Kennedy abandoned those brave Cubans on the beach, he got what he deserved.


45 posted on 11/24/2016 4:56:41 PM PST by stockpirate (OBAMA MUST BE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.)
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To: rlmorel; Oatka; SaxxonWoods; Fiji Hill; Big Red Badger; EveningStar; stockpirate; jmacusa; ...
As you seem to understand (if I read your post correctly) there was no conspiracy, and year after year, the same things persist in the face of the truth.

I see we are BOTH fans of Vince Bugliosi. I have never seen a better researcher, I have been amazed at some of Vince's research and presentation of information.

This video has Vince Bugliosi present some of the things you discussed in your thorough reply.

Vince Bugliosi and the Computer Animation that Cleared Up Many of the Mysteries in the JFK assassination

At this point, the computer animation, Bugliosi's book that took 20 years to research and is the product of one of my favorite researcher, it has to be right. AND that doesn't even include the Warren Report and the millions of pages of documentation on the Kennedy assassination.

BUT

As I originally wrote, there are two sets of information in the Kennedy assassination

1 The US gov't investigations, well researched books like Reclaiming History, Dale Myers' Computer animation that clearly show one gunman fired three shots from behind. There was NO conspiracy.

But (2) is composed of witnesses for example who say things they saw and heard that indicate that #1 is not correct. I agree fully that it's hard to believe that witnesses who say one thing over ride pictures in evidence that show something different.

But a Doctor at Parkland draws the following sketch of the back of President Kennedy's head and DOZENS of witnesses agree that is what they saw too, some totally independent of the other witnesses. How could they agree unless there really was a large hole in the right posterior of JFK's head?

On the left, is the US government's version of the appearance of the rear of JFK's head. On the right is a sketch of what one Parkland Doctor says he saw.

Which is right, left or right? In a sane world, they would agree.

Fortunately there is a third set of information. It is evidence that could NOT have been altered by anyone but most importantly, it proves what happened during the shooting. Because shots were fired quicker than any bolt action rife could have fired, It also shows a conspiracy killed President Kennedy.

The Two Ways to determine the timing of the shots that were fired

At this point, I don't expect anyone to understand all of this nor believe it. It is an introduction to how to prove what happened. It proves a powerful conspiracy killed President Kennedy, there is no other possibility. It will take time before this information is understood and believed by the research community and then the public. If it was simple, you would have seen this a long time ago.

52 posted on 11/25/2016 8:02:24 PM PST by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama is doing)
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