Climate Change-
Really? These people picture Manhattan under water within their own lifetime?
I... I really don’t know how to relate to such a thought process.
THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, opinion columnist: Mr. President-elect, can I ask a question? One of the issues that you actually were very careful not to speak about during the campaign, and havent spoken about yet, is one very near and dear to my heart, the whole issue of climate change, the Paris agreement, how youll approach it. You own some of the most beautiful links golf courses in the world
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TRUMP: [laughing] I read your article. Some will be even better because actually like Doral is a little bit off so itll be perfect. [inaudible] He doesnt say that. He just says that the ones that are near the water will be gone, but Doral will be in great shape.
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FRIEDMAN: But its really important to me, and I think to a lot of our readers, to know where youre going to go with this. I dont think anyone objects to, you know, doing all forms of energy. But are you going to take America out of the worlds lead of confronting climate change?
TRUMP: Im looking at it very closely, Tom. Ill tell you what. I have an open mind to it. Were going to look very carefully. Its one issue thats interesting because there are few things where theres more division than climate change. You dont tend to hear this, but there are people on the other side of that issue who are, think, dont even
SULZBERGER: We do hear it.
FRIEDMAN: I was on Squawk Box with Joe Kernen this morning, so I got an earful of it.
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TRUMP: Joe is one of them. But a lot of smart people disagree with you. I have a very open mind. And Im going to study a lot of the things that happened on it and were going to look at it very carefully. But I have an open mind.
SULZBERGER: Well, since were living on an island, sir, I want to thank you for having an open mind. We saw what these storms are now doing, right? Weve seen it personally. Straight up.
FRIEDMAN: But you have an open mind on this?
TRUMP: I do have an open mind. And weve had storms always, Arthur.
SULZBERGER: Not like this.
TRUMP: You know the hottest day ever was in 1890-something, 98. You know, you can make lots of cases for different views. I have a totally open mind.
My uncle was for 35 years a professor at M.I.T. He was a great engineer, scientist. He was a great guy. And he was a long time ago, he had feelings this was a long time ago he had feelings on this subject. Its a very complex subject. Im not sure anybody is ever going to really know. I know we have, they say they have science on one side but then they also have those horrible emails that were sent between the scientists. Where was that, in Geneva or wherever five years ago? Terrible. Where they got caught, you know, so you see that and you say, whats this all about. I absolutely have an open mind. I will tell you this: Clean air is vitally important. Clean water, crystal clean water is vitally important. Safety is vitally important.
And you know, you mentioned a lot of the courses. I have some great, great, very successful golf courses. Ive received so many environmental awards for the way Ive done, you know. Ive done a tremendous amount of work where Ive received tremendous numbers. Sometimes Ill say Im actually an environmentalist and people will smile in some cases and other people that know me understand thats true. Open mind.
JAMES BENNET, editorial page editor: When you say an open mind, you mean youre just not sure whether human activity causes climate change? Do you think human activity is or isnt connected?
TRUMP: I think right now well, I think there is some connectivity. There is some, something. It depends on how much. It also depends on how much its going to cost our companies. You have to understand, our companies are noncompetitive right now.
Theyre really largely noncompetitive. About four weeks ago, I started adding a certain little sentence into a lot of my speeches, that weve lost 70,000 factories since W. Bush. 70,000. When I first looked at the number, I said: That must be a typo. It cant be 70, you cant have 70,000, you wouldnt think you have 70,000 factories here. And it wasnt a typo, its right. Weve lost 70,000 factories.
Were not a competitive nation with other nations anymore. We have to make ourselves competitive. Were not competitive for a lot of reasons.
Thats becoming more and more of the reason. Because a lot of these countries that we do business with, they make deals with our president, or whoever, and then they dont adhere to the deals, you know that. And its much less expensive for their companies to produce products. So Im going to be studying that very hard, and I think I have a very big voice in it. And I think my voice is listened to, especially by people that dont believe in it. And well let you know.
FRIEDMAN: Id hate to see Royal Aberdeen underwater.
TRUMP: The North Sea, that could be, thats a good one, right?
They were obsessed with the topic. I think he was as nice as he could be without calling them liars and idiots. Made it clear that it is NOT a settled science.