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To: ManHunter

I disagree. The House of Saud (which is big, over a 15,000 members, of which 2000 have actual power and influence) sits atop a tiger composed of the Saudi population. Members range from poltically liberal to hedonists, to the pious, to extremists who support Al Qaeda and ISIL.

If they were to fall, the most likely and dangerous outcome would be a Al Qaeda or ISIL regime in its place. Unlike Venezula, these folks are competent, if evil, people. Look at a map, if the KSA becomes an active Islamic revolutionary state, they would quickly gobble up the Gulf states and Jordan would not last much longer. They could effectively shut down the Oil trade, close the Red Sea and force trade to go around Africa, and likely start a major war that makes the Iraq war and Syrian Civil War look like a tiff between toddlers.

Much of what the family does is to prevent this by nplacating, buying off, balancing, and coercing the varied elements of the population. Wahabbism is prevalant, and they take their role as “Keeper of the Two Holy Mosques” incredibility seriously. This constrains them politically, because there are red lines they dare not cross. They clearly remember the fall of the Shah due to his liberalization. If they lose power, they would lose their heads.


21 posted on 11/10/2016 8:52:54 AM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect
Not necessarily disputing your conclusion.
However, in getting there you argue against yourself, and foreclose on your result. I also have at least two constraints on your scenario:

Wahabbism is prevalant, and they take their role as “Keeper of the Two Holy Mosques” incredibility seriously.
(so they export it to the west unopposed).

Much of what the family does is to prevent this by placating, buying off, balancing, and coercing the varied elements of the population. This constrains them politically, because there are red lines they dare not cross.
(so they export it to the west unopposed).

...if the KSA becomes an active Islamic revolutionary state,
They're already there - exporting Islamic expansionist ideology into non-Islamic countries unopposed and abetted by "progressive" elites, and sending their agents to populate wahabbi mosques (cells) in MY city.

...they would quickly gobble up the Gulf states and Jordan would not last much longer. They could effectively shut down the Oil trade, close the Red Sea and force trade to go around Africa, and likely start a major war that makes the Iraq war and Syrian Civil War look like a tiff between toddlers.

They could do that if unopposed by real countries (with real presidents), and until they ran out of mercenaries.

24 posted on 11/10/2016 6:18:02 PM PST by norton
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

Nice summary. People don’t realize we are still paying for Carters lunacy re.. the Shah. The Saudi war king is a interesting person. You are right to remind people these are intelligent, commander in chief types, Unconstrained by habeus corpus. Leave them to reset the ME.. as long as Bibi and Israel are ok, we are on the right track.


27 posted on 11/11/2016 7:18:46 AM PST by momincombatboots (Pray for Sky, 20, two gunshots to abdomen, college student, hostess, easy prey n transformed US)
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