MH17 missile 'came from Russia', Dutch-led investigators say

bbc.com ^ | 28 September 2016 | BBC

[Berlin_Freeper]

Vladimir Putin is responsible for the mass homicide of 298 men, women and children blown to pieces out of God's beautiful blue sky. He should do the Christian thing, admit his guilt, seek forgiveness and make generous payments to the families of his victims.

[The Duke]

Unfortunately the only folks I trust less than Putin are the media people who keep telling me how bad he is.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Putin Sets His Disinformation Trolls on the MH17 Investigators

[RedWulf]

The rebels clearly thought that they shot down Ukrainian troop transport. As such, they did not commit a war crime nor did Russia in supplying the weapons because the weapons where aimed at legitimate targets of war. They could be guilty of negligence but then again so could the Ukrainian government who routed planes over the middle of a war zone instead of through the safe area's of the Black sea.

Ultimately I think the Ukrainian government was hoping to get a civilian plane shot down to negate the rebels AA weapons and to gain support in the west. There simply was no other reason to route commercial traffic over the area.

And yes Russia and the Ukraine should both pay restitution to the innocent victims.

[ETL]

We have a bunch of his trolls right here on FR. For some reason they are allowed to remain pushing their pro-Russia BS 24/7.

[Berlin_Freeper]

MH17: Buk missile system from Russia, says Dutch-led investigation – video

[ETL]

"On 10 April 2010, a Tupolev Tu-154 aircraft of the Polish Air Force crashed near the city of Smolensk, Russia, killing all 96 people on board.

Among the victims were the President of Poland Lech Kaczynski and his wife Maria, the former President of Poland in exile Ryszard Kaczorowski, the chief of the Polish General Staff and other senior Polish military officers, the president of the National Bank of Poland, Polish Government officials, 18 members of the Polish Parliament, senior members of the Polish clergy and relatives of victims of the Katyn massacre.

The group was arriving from Warsaw to attend an event marking the 70th anniversary of the [Katyn] massacre, which took place not far from Smolensk."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash

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April 2014...

Did Putin Blow Up the Whole Polish Government in 2010?
A Second Look

A plane crash at Smolensk in Russia four years ago wiped out the Warsaw leadership. It used to be seen as an accident. Now, after Putin's games in Ukraine, people aren't so sure.

Four years ago this week, Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed in a plane crash near the Katyn Forest in Russia where he was flying to honor the 22,000 Polish officers, lawyers, priests and professors slaughtered there by the Soviets 70 years before.

Ninety-five other military, political and public figures including his wife died on that plane.

One of the more heartbreaking details to emerge was that First Lady Maria Kaczynska's body could be identified only by her nail polish and the inscription inside her wedding ring.

Less than two years before the crash the late president had given a speech warning that if Russian aggression was not stopped in Georgia, which Russia had invaded, it would extend to Ukraine, the Baltics, and possibly Poland as well. "We are here to take up the fight," he said. And many Poles still believe that their president died in the cause of that effort. Physicist Kazimierz Nowaczyk is one of them. ..."

(BIG SNIP)

He makes his case at the link...

Did Putin Blow Up the Whole Polish Government in 2010? A Second Look:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/11/did-putin-blow-up-the-whole-polish-government-in-2010-a-second-look.html

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Note: They are no longer the "opposition". They won the October 2011 election.

Opposition publishes 'alternative' Smolensk report

PR dla Zagranicy

Peter Gentle June 29, 2011

Law and Justice (PiS), led by Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the twin brother of the late President Lech Kaczynski, has presented the first part of the so-called White Book report on the Smolensk tragedy of 10 April last year, days before the release of the official government version.

Law and Justice has been highly critical of both the Russian and Polish investigations into the tragedy which killed 96 politicians and top military brass, among others.

Shortly after the air crash in western Russia, the opposition party, closely associated with the late President Kaczynski, set up its own parliamentary committee headed by MP Antoni Macierewicz. The report represents the conclusions of the committee.

The White Book on Smolensk comprises 20 chapters and contains over 100 additional documents gathered and compiled by the team of Law and Justice MP investigators.

The first part of the report released today deals with alleged shortcomings of the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee's (MAK) report released last year, though all of the criticisms have been made before by Law and Justice.

The second part of the document will be issued tomorrow and will detail criticisms of the Polish government's investigation, the report of which is currently being translated into English and Russian and will be released shortly, possibly on Friday.

One of the conclusions of the first part of the Law and Justice report is that Russian protocol envisaged only the attendance of Prime Minister Donald Tusk at the 70th anniversary commemorations of the 1940 Katyn Massacre. Because of this, says the report, President Kaczynski's arrival three days later in western Russia had been given the status of a private and not official state visit.

This had the consequence of downgrading security arrangements for the party led by Lech Kaczynski, says the report.

"The decision had been taken by the Russian side but it was approved by representatives of Mr. Tusk's government," MP Antoni Macierewicz said today as he launched the report.

"Nevertheless, the decision itself had been in Russian hands. Polish diplomats were informed openly that only Prime Minister Tusk will be guaranteed security, while the President's visit remains of no interest to the Russian side," he said.

Antoni Macierewicz also stressed that the doomed presidential Tupolev 154 had undergone a general overhaul barely a year before the crash at the Aviakor plant in Russian Samara.

Law and Justice reject the conclusions of the Russian report, which blamed pilot error for the crash. Antoni Macierewicz emphasises that air traffic control at the Smolensk airport did not give clear guidance to the pilots as they approached landing.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/46756,Opposition-publishes-%E2%80%98alternative%E2%80%99-Smolensk-report
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The Polish Heritage Institute

April 10, 2010 - The Smolensk Crash
Was Poland’s President Assassinated?

http://www.phi966.org/the-smolensk-crash.html

[fireman15]

I thought that this was basically the conclusion that was reached the day that it happened.

[RedWulf]

There's a few anti-russian Soros paid copy and paste shills around here. The repeat the same few lines over and over again.

[ETL]

Russia 'to revive the KGB' after Putin wins biggest majority

Telegraph (UK) ^ | 19 September 2016 • 3:39PM | Marc Bennetts

Russia plans effectively to revive the KGB under a massive shake-up of its security forces, a respected business daily has reported.

A State Security Ministry, or MGB, would be created from the current Federal Security Service (FSB) , and would incorporate the foreign intelligence service (SVR) and the state guard service (FSO), under the plans. It would be handed all-encompassing powers once possessed by the KGB, the Kommersant newspaper said, citing security service sources.

Like the much-feared KGB, it would also oversee the prosecutions of Kremlin critics, a task currently undertaken by the Investigative Committee, headed by Alexander Bastrykin, a former university classmate of President Putin. The Kremlin has not commented. …

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...

[Berlin_Freeper]

Footage shows Russian-made missile that downed plane being trucked into eastern Ukraine

[Berlin_Freeper]

We have a bunch of his trolls right here on FR.

[ETL]

There's a few anti-russian Soros paid copy and paste shills around here.

It was the Soros-supported Obama administration that set Putin up on missile defense and nuke deals, including the Iran nuke deal, you mindless dope. They all basically share the same goals. Each wants a substantially weaker US.

And not only did the Soros-supported Obama admin help build up Russia's strength, he slashed our defenses! Your guy Putin couldn't hope for a better friend/comrade in the WH than Obama.

Now see if you can read and understand the following this time. (as if it would matter anyway, Putinista POS that you are)

From Real Clear Politics, Sept 10, 2015...

"In a 2014 New Yorker interview, Obama said his goal was to create a 'new equilibrium' in the Middle East.

In the short run, at least, his signature diplomatic undertaking can be counted on to bring more violence to this volatile region.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, as the [Obama-Putin Iran deal] agreement is formally known, provides the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism an infusion of somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 billion of unfrozen assets and a great deal more of continuing revenues as businesses and governments around the world rush to profit from oil-and-gas-rich Iran's reintegration into the world economy.

The agreement relaxes the international isolation of the Islamic Republic and ratifies Tehran's status as a nuclear threshold state. And it relieves restrictions on Iran's acquisition of weapons, including ballistic missiles. ..."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/10/iran_deal_throws_sparks_on_mideast_tinderbox_128034.html
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Aug 2015

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[StoneWall Brigade]

Not so surprising huh?

[RedWulf]

1. Another copy paste from a database.
2. Insults and lies towards me personally that are also a copy paste.

Pretty bad trolling mate.

[conservaKate]

I genuinely do not understand supporting Putin. To me, he epitomizes evil. The world will be a better place when Putin is no longer in power.

[1rudeboy]

One way to gauge the truth of a media account about Russia is to observe the Borsct Brigade’s reaction to it on FR. Bonus points if Soros is mentioned.

[1rudeboy]

That’s “Borscht.”

[Berlin_Freeper]

MH17 'killers' will be brought to justice, says Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull
The deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, told ABC radio that the findings demanded a response from Russia.

“I’m sure the report is well thought out and diligent in its process and therefore there is a response required from Russia,” he said, adding the 298 people aboard had been “murdered”.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Statement by the NATO Secretary General on MH17 investigation
The downing of flight MH17 on July 17 2014 was a global tragedy which cost the lives of 298 people. As the UN Security Council has concluded, those responsible should be held accountable.